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    See, I told you they lived caves, Vartan.
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    i saw it... good artiocle... prooving armenians were cavemen... XD No, Vartan it's a joke! You know the addage : we bully the most those we love the most :D
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    I always wondered which wine was more prevalent in the classical times... white, red or Rosa wine?

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    The red... Though traces of white wine have been found also in jars of the tomb of Tutankamon, so they had choice. But red wine was much more widespread for consumption and ritualistic use.

    What I've foung amazing is that, from a archeological expedition they discovered that in egyptian pharaohs tombs, often they had three kind of wine from wich to choose from in the afterlife, meaning that,k although without any appelation system (the first modern appelation system, I read, apeared in Portugal in the... don't remember between 17 or 19 century, but one of those two century for sure) they still had a choice of flavour to accompagny their meal.

    Now for the article, it is very interesting. However, archeologist and historians believe that wine was produced much before the rests found in armenia, though prooves of it did not survive time. IMO, I believe it is true : it's not because we can't see sopmething that it dosent, or did not exist...
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    I wonder if anyone was selling insurance for such accidents back then.
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    the archeologists are going to produce wine with a model of the same equipment they found in that cave. Grape seeds were also found and after analysis it belongs to the group of gapes known as "old world grapes." Its interesting, they say that the wine produced then would be much like the wines we drink now. More like an unfiltered wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artavazd View Post
    the archeologists are going to produce wine with a model of the same equipment they found in that cave. Grape seeds were also found and after analysis it belongs to the group of gapes known as "old world grapes." Its interesting, they say that the wine produced then would be much like the wines we drink now. More like an unfiltered wine.
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    Wait, does this mean that wine is older than beer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexanderthegreater View Post
    Wait, does this mean that wine is older than beer?
    Wine is simpler to make. Just ferment some fruit. Bad wine is easy to make. Beer is an intensive process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duguntz View Post
    Now for the article, it is very interesting. However, archeologist and historians believe that wine was produced much before the rests found in armenia, though prooves of it did not survive time. IMO, I believe it is true : it's not because we can't see sopmething that it dosent, or did not exist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexanderthegreater View Post
    Wait, does this mean that wine is older than beer?
    Wine is most likely older than beer for, if not any other reason, procedural reasons, as was mentioned in this thread.

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    EDIT: By the way, this find was to be expected. The Sumerians wrote that they obtained wine for their courts from the Armenian Highlands. They couldn't ask for better wine!
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    Default Re: OT: Oldest winery found

    Yes, the natural climate control of a cave would make it most suitable for the production and storage of wine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    Yes, the natural climate control of a cave would make it most suitable for the production and storage of wine.
    That wasn't (and isn't) the primary use of our caves.
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