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    Default Units That Must Be Omitted

    Here is a list of units in RTW that I believe must be omitted from the game to free up space for newer units.. if any of you disagree or think I left out any units please post below

    Arcani
    Incendiary Pigs
    Wardogs
    Desert Axemen
    Nile Spearmen
    Pharaoh's Guard
    Pharaoh's Bowmen
    Desert Cavalry
    Nile Cavalry
    Egyptian Chariots
    Egyptian Cavalry General
    Egyptian Chariot General
    Egyptian Chariot Archers
    Onagers
    Heavy Onagers
    Ballistas
    Repeating Ballistas
    Scorpions
    Druids
    Screeching Women
    Beserkers
    Night Raiders
    Head Hurlers
    Head Hunting Maidens
    Scythian Noble Women
    Bull Warriors

    Also I believe Peasants and Gladiators should be for Rebels only (for revolts)

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    Default Re: Units That Must Be Omitted

    So are you positive from historical research that non of these units existed?

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    Default Re: Units That Must Be Omitted

    In my opinion these unit need to stay:

    -Ballistas
    -Desert Axemen can be used as Egyptian Natives in the AOR with lowered stats
    -Scorpions
    -Night Raiders
    -Beserkers - maybe change the name, but Germania needs to have big blood-thirsty fanatical warriors
    -Bull Warriors - change the name, they represent the elite warriors of the Iberians

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    Default Re: Units That Must Be Omitted

    I got alot of it from the orgs wiki page.. and i'll post it.. but most of these units were long gone (egyptians) or rarely used (wardogs)

    Some of the units are ahistorical as well. The arcani, portrayed as in the game as heavily armoured pseudo-ninjas, are probably based on a group of agents provocateurs and spies known as areani in Roman Britain hundreds of years after the game takes place. Also, units of the Roman army such as the Urban Cohort and Praetorian Cohort are much more widely used for combat in the game than they ever were in the Roman Republic or Empire.
    The Romans are not the only factions with ahistorical units. Druids, like those used in-game by the Barbarians, were in fact excused from military service in Celtic culture, being vital to the operation of organized village life.<ref>Goldsworthy, Adrian Caeser: The Life of a Colossus p. 242</ref> A totally invented unit is the British Head Hurlers, who hurl decapitated heads coated in quicklime. Severed heads were a valuable trophy in Celtic culture, and would never have been used as ammunition. The phalanx formation which the Germans employ in the game is also ahistorical, since Roman authors are emphatic that the only military formation employed by the Germani was the wedge, and the idea of pikes as Germanic weapons is contradicted by archeology as well as Tacitus (Germania Ch.6). The huge armored war elephants with howdahs, although perhaps the most spectacular unit in the game, were never used by Carthage; historic sources and depictions on coins all document small (perhaps 2.5 m/8.35 ft at the shoulder) North African Elephants with only a mahout. Also, the Bull Warriors of Spain did not exist.
    The Egyptian military and culture is heavily influenced by the ancient Egypt of the New Kingdom than that of the Ptolemaic Egypt. Culture would have been of a Greek style with soldiers being identical to those of the other Diadochi and Macedonia.
    Some units, such as wardogs and flaming pigs, were used on rare occasions, but not to the extent with which they can be used within the game. Also, Berserkers were not around during the time setting of the game. Berserkers were only used by the Vikings during the Viking Age, although they may represent some of the more ferocious Germanic tribes.
    Furthermore the Macedonian "Royal Pikemen" are depicted wearing a shield with a lambda upon it. In fact the Spartans wore the lambda on their shield as it stands for the region Laconia where they came from. The Macedonian faction emblem also has a lambda upon it.

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    Ummm...Yeah it's true that heads where thropys in celtic culture BUT some british warriors whoud take a few heads with them and throw them at the enemy...
    When the camel {S}thinks,it is time to leave the oassis!

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    Default Re: Units That Must Be Omitted

    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    Ummm...Yeah it's true that heads where thropys in celtic culture BUT some british warriors whoud take a few heads with them and throw them at the enemy...
    We could make some of the Briton units throw a head just before charge...like the Romans with the pilums...

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