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    New hotfix. Check notes for details. Might be slightly controversial which I have highlighted.

    I have not made any changes to ele costs or stats. If this is something you guys want, will need to get GG2's input re balancing etc.

    I also wanted to say this is why Mardians have the highest tier of accuracy (if you guys disagree, let me know):

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    These infantry troops lack the speed and manoeuvrability of horse archers, instead relying on their powerful long composite bow. They are only lightly armoured with a quilted linen cuirass worn over a brightly embroidered long sleeved tunic. Trained from birth in the use of the deadly eastern composite bow, these men know their worth and are often to be found among the Parthian garrisons and in their field armies.

    Historically, the Persians may among nations, undoubtedly be placed in the first rank of archers and, the Marda Shivatir are their elite. They are recruited from the more settled elements of the Parthian tribal host in the core of the Parthian homeland and surrounding regions. It seems likely that at least some of these infantry were those of the Parthians too impoverished to afford to fight mounted or those whose mounted skills had declined as a result of settled life to such an extent that it was no longer possible for them to serve in their traditional role. [Note that the "spoiling of skills" affects only mounted warfare]
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    I don't know if gg2's upcoming one will have it or not, but add the Mistophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai to the Ptoleis too :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
    I don't know if gg2's upcoming one will have it or not, but add the Mistophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai to the Ptoleis too :)
    Ugh, now you tell me. I will incorporate within build "c".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy O View Post
    type iberian infantry dunaminaca
    dictionary iberian_infantry_dunaminaca ; Dunaminaca
    category infantry
    class heavy
    voice_type Medium_1
    soldier carthaginian_infantry_elite_african_infantry_dunam inaca, 40, 0, 1.2
    officer ebofficer_lusitanian_carthaginian_officer
    mount_effect horse +1
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, can_sap, hide_long_grass, very_hardy
    formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square
    stat_health 1, 1
    stat_pri 7, 8, solifera_h, 38.5, 3, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
    stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
    stat_sec 13, 8 , no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.16
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 9, 10, 4, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 2
    stat_ground 0, 0, 1, -2
    stat_mental 13, impetuous, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 1872, 491, 90, 130, 1872
    ownership spain, gauls, scythia, slave


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    type iberian infantry dunaminaca mercenary
    dictionary iberian_infantry_dunaminaca ; Mercenary Dunaminaca
    category infantry
    class heavy
    voice_type Medium_1
    soldier carthaginian_infantry_elite_african_infantry_dunam inaca, 40, 0, 1.2
    officer ebofficer_lusitanian_carthaginian_officer
    mount_effect horse +1
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, can_sap, hide_long_grass, very_hardy, mercenary_unit
    formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square
    stat_health 1, 1
    stat_pri 7, 8, solifera_h, 38.5, 3, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
    stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
    stat_sec 13, 8 , no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.15
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 9, 10, 4, leather
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 2
    stat_ground 0, 0, 1, -2
    stat_mental 13, impetuous, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 1872, 491, 90, 130, 1872
    ownership seleucid, egypt, slave

    Fix it.
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    Almost forgot, can Kardakâ Arteshtâr be added to the Seleukidai? Read some saying yes, others no, while I have no clue :D

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    @lazy- what's the magic word? Also I am presuming the value should be 0.15 (since they used gladius as well)?

    @Arjos- due to the fact that there isn't consensus, I will wait until at least 2 other players back it.
    Last edited by TheShakAttack; 11-17-2011 at 11:59.
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    I will say please on behalf of lazy since he is bereft of manners typically

    Adding Kardaka not only gives you an ugly grey peasant in your roster, when you try to load a battle with these mystery men the game crashes. Some other files would have to be played with, but this is above my head. I think they need a skin.
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    In which case I am tempted to leave it as it is and wait for someone else to tinker with it (not exp with skins). It's not as if the AS roster is crying out for the superb quality of the Kardaka
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    You have to edit DMB to enable the kardaka, which I have done...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamegeek2 View Post
    You have to edit DMB to enable the kardaka, which I have done...
    Ok does that mean that we should leave the addition of Kardaka to you?

    Also, I am thinking about taking eles away from Rome again. Due to the fact that they can bring cheap high quality heavy infantry (they get some sort of discount afaik), it does kind of make a Roman army with eles very OP. What do people think?
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    What does your history tell you ?


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    Hmm, I just had a battle with Kival, and the forest eles died whilst charging through enemy lines (no javs fired)- perhaps giving rome eles is not so OP afterall even though the army looks quite intimidating?
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    Can we make elephants less paper? You know javelins didn't actually kill elephants, it just made them incredibly pissed off and panic. So I would make them more robust but reduce their morale so they tend to panic more than die.
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    I do agree, actually, but I don't think that's for Shak to do in his hotfix. It's the kind of thing we're not paying GG2 for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
    Almost forgot, can Kardakâ Arteshtâr be added to the Seleukidai? Read some saying yes, others no, while I have no clue :D
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    That they used them or?

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    The terms of changing have been changed. It now includes this:

    Also, I am happy to change things in the EDU as long as there is near unanimous consent:
    -with at least 5 regular players:
    1) requesting the change;
    2) agreeing that it is a "hotfix" issue and needs to be changed immediately;
    3) agreeing to and specifying the changes to be made (for instance the specific stat numbers);
    -no more than 1 person disagreeing to it ;
    -it is within my skillset to do so; and
    -I do not consider it a "major" change (lies within my discretion :P).

    Keep in mind that even if I do change it, GG2/Vartan or the community as a whole can always request the change be overturned.
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    Hmmm, with those guidelines, I propose to immediately remove fear from catphracts

    Come on, I need 5 supporters and I know you are out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin View Post
    Hmmm, with those guidelines, I propose to immediately remove fear from catphracts

    Come on, I need 5 supporters and I know you are out there.
    Seconded.


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    Removing fear from catas is not a hotfix. Sorry. I'd like to change it but It does not fit shaks conditions

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    Agree with Kiv, I would disagree since GG2 is working on a re-jig :P

    However, please do bring up any issues you think are pressing/important.
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    Why not? It's a highly unbalancing factor for them to have, making it a huge problem best solved ASAP. That's exactly what hotixes are there for. Less important stuff like accuracy for gundi-palta is not as urgent, and are therefore less deserving of a hotfix.


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    It's intended. That's not what is meant here for change and there ovbiously is not a coherent meaning about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kival View Post
    It's intended. That's not what is meant here for change and there ovbiously is not a coherent meaning about this.
    That doesn't matter, it's still an unbalancing factor that needs to be removed asap. That's what hotfixes are for.

    I suppose by your second sentence you mean that there isn't an agreement about this, correct? If so, that's left to find out. If consensus is reached (here defined as 5 active players agreeing, not more than one disagreeing) then it should be changed, as per the new terms of changing. Personally, I know you, me, Arjos and Robin want it gone (or at least have expressed their will for it before). I think Vega agrees as well. In any case it is definitely worth throwing out there; if there isn't a consensus, it won't be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking View Post
    I think Vega agrees as well.
    Yep i agree :D

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    Oh I disagree, just to ruin your plans! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
    Oh I disagree, just to ruin your plans! :D
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    I also disagree and I know at least 2 others who do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kival View Post
    You need to learn to be more serious
    Bah I posted a whole sources backed argument in the 3.0 thread, and what we are getting is a no fear policy, so meh :P

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