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    This is very important before we move on with the mod. We must choose the exe to use. At first I was thinking BI, but it will be better to use ALX. Why? Jmilan77 from TWC explained why in a PM he sent me:

    Hi there mate, very interesting stuff it took me quite a while to read XD

    First off as you know me and my team are very very very busy with working on our upcoming release, however, my team do bear a certain amount of experience now after a lot of mistakes So I would be willing to provide me and my teams brains to be picked about any aspect of modding I would love to just pop by now and then and just see how your overall progress is going and seeing If I can help

    A suggestion or two though as you did say I could this is coming out of experwince of what I have dealed with. Completely decide what exe you want to use from the start as it will provide so much headaches and confusion if you change in 6 months time. Why am I saying this?

    The reason is because I would suggest to use the alex exe instead of BI, you may say ah but I want features like the religion or shield wall ability. Well don't worry about that as me and my team have worked out and recreated the system on the alex exe in fact changing the original purpose as well so instead of religions like christianity, pagan ect, we shall forms of government such as oligarchy, democracy tyranny ect. Little changes like this can make a real difference

    The reason I say this now you still have those abilities, you can take the advantages of the alex exe such the increases AI, increased model slots an so on. Also you may be aware we are creating playable sea battles, we shall be releasing this discovery to the public so if you would like to use this feature, you shall have to use the alex exe.

    Just food for thought mate, I hope you like my idea and good luck wid your mod mate, if you would like to copy paste this message to your other team mates for talking over feel free
    So we should use ALX, get into contact with the Roma Vici TW team, and get it modified so we can have what we need. Please post your thoughts and comments

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    hmm why dont we just use the normal RTW .exe i mean most of your work is on it all ready

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    I hope that was just a line badly miss-wrote ahowl11, but changing the engine is forbidden for any release. Other than that the only confirmed features that doesn't inherit from rtw are: Hording and Schiltrom (was that the name?) and shield wall. Religion, loyalty, shadowing are perfectly supported by it. Check this thread to know exactly what i'm talking about.

    The most important feature in my opinion, that makes this engine the best is the AI do not attack faction; with that enbaled we can avoid the steam roll of some factions that might be otherwise get destroyed too son (we could avoid war between Epirus and Macedon, for example), thus representing historical alliances (Rome and its subjects) etc.
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    I am for BI. Shieldwall is the only way to properly emulate a close formation that many types of units used. Honestly i don't care about religion that much - 1/2 of the world is under the hellenic/roman stile religion by that time, and ancients didn't have the religious fanaticism that modern religions based on Judaism have. But shield wall, oh, man, shield wall! If rtw or alex had it it was going to be the best thing ever.

    PS: And it's not that important, if i have to be honest - porting from one to another exe is not that hard.

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    Yeah the Roma Vici team has been able to port BI features to ALX.. I will be in contact with them and see if shield wall was ported. And they are not using the religion feature for religion but instead the different government systems. What I plan on using the religion feature is for the different cultures that were around then:
    Roman
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    Hellenic
    Eastern
    Nomadic

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    i think we should do it on ALX, as the most thing people complained about rtw was the very bad AI, so if we done it on AlX, plus all of the feature that the mod will give it will be brilliant!! :)

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    Yes that is another reason, the AI is considerably smarter. Plus more model slots in the DMB, if we have that coupled with the features from BI, it would work out nicely.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    ahowl11 there's no thing like "goverments". It's religion with changed name.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    I know and I dont want governments. I want cultures. Cultures would have same effect as religion in the game. Yes, it's pretty much a name change

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    And you'll double the culture penalty?
    What is the idea behind doing that?

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    It would only double if you built a certain building that promotes your faction's culture, its the risk you have to take when conquering new settlements.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    Ok, so... will i be able to build barbarian buildings with rome?

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    No because the Romans didn't build barbarian buildings.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    The only use i see for it is the slowdown for human players, altough a skilled player can still steam roll trough that.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    It's to show the difficulties that you would get when you tried to assimilate a different culture into your own.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    wo, basically what i have said - double the culture penalty and nothing more.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    keep in mind that
    a) Not everyone have Alex (not as common as either RTW or BI
    b) Alex cannot have hording factions AND true shield wall (the closest approximate are extra-dense formations mentioned per unit in EDU)
    c) Actually, Alex did have the best battlefield AI, the downside is their campaign AI are focusing on turtling, not much problem, but it did reduce AI agression considerably.
    d) Alex cannot play faction intro videos (at the expense of it can play historical battle videos, so it's kinda fair trade)

    and the positive side too
    a) Alex has more DMB slots
    b) Character can be customized, portraits, units, even made immortal
    c) Alex is much more stable than other exes, to the point that Alex has basically less CTD
    d) of course, if someone don't have it, it's easy to grab from steam

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    a) Not everyone have Alex (not as common as either RTW or BI
    True...Our original idea was HRTW 1.5,but I don't know what has happened to that.

    c) Actually, Alex did have the best battlefield AI, the downside is their campaign AI are focusing on turtling, not much problem, but it did reduce AI agression considerably.
    We planned to do put Darth formations and put that each factions attacks more form the sea,as no one would be safe then,not even Britons and Rome.

    d) Alex cannot play faction intro videos (at the expense of it can play historical battle videos, so it's kinda fair trade)
    Too bad as this is a good part of the vanilla in my opinion.Ahowl11 has before putted the barbarian intro for the Illyrians,eastern for the Nabataeans,greek for Bosporans..But I don't know what happened to that because I think this mod is going in some other direction.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    Look we need hording, shield wall and other things. If it's not possible to do that on ALX then we need to use BI

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    USE BI!
    80% of the RTW players don't have Alex.
    When the camel {S}thinks,it is time to leave the oassis!

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    BI,yes.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    BI is better on my opinion. The shield-wall, scheltrom formation, and hording are really needed for historical accuracy.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    BI it is. Well we have come to a conclusion on the most important step to our mod. Good work team.

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    BI is better on my opinion. The shield-wall, scheltrom formation, and hording are really needed for historical accuracy.
    You are right...It will help us make the game more historicaly acurrate...


    BI it is. Well we have come to a conclusion on the most important step to our mod. Good work team.
    Jus the greek faction decision is left,right ?

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    pretty much, then we have to research the crap out of every faction. Which I honestly love researching so this is where my major contributions will come in

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    Default Re: HRTW: Exe [Please Sticky]

    I would strongly suggest the use of BI. The only real-exclusive feature of ALX's is the personalized generals and FM, wich are great for mods restrained in time (like Alexander itself). The stability of the mod can be achieved if we really keep track of our changes, and the (again) supposedly smarter AI can be helped with balance for units and some scripts here and there.

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