But no, I can understand where you're coming from. I'm certainly not going to say you're wrong for feeling that way or for wanting it to end differently. If anything, I seem to be in the minority when it comes to the discussion on the endings. Most people feel as you do - they love 98% of the game but get let down in the end.
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Personally i felt it made sense from a story perspective. It is only bleak in the sense that civilization has fallen, but your actions have given the freedom to build a new one that's free of the Reapers. It hurt to see everything go down. I actually got a bit misty eyed when Shepard couldn't make it to the console. I watched a character whom i've known for over five years struggle and labor to hold onto life only to die in the end. It was like saying goodbye to a good friend.
Like i said, i chose the Red ending because it allowed a future free of the cycle - free of forced evolution and free of control. I had to let the life in the galaxy be free to make their own mistakes and not have their destinies decided for them. In fact, thats what I thought the stranded scene combined with the scene after the end credits symbolized. It hurt to see the old civilization torn down, but it was needed if a new one was going to be built.
But again. My opinion seems to be a bit unique on this. No one else seems to be thinking along these lines, and thats okay.
For me, it really boiled down to a couple things about it that irked me.
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1) Lack of epilogue. I just feel like there was still a lot left untied, especially given how the relays were asploded. Closure is awesome. This, not so much.
2) How the heck did Garrus and Tali get back on the Normandy so fast? Like 2 minutes ago they were right there with me when I got nuked by a giant space laser. And really, the whole Normandy sequence doesn't make any sense or offer any solace when they'll probably start starving.
3) I know it's cheesy and all, but I honestly wanted at least the possibility of a Dragon Age ending- not necessarily king of the universe, but at least one where the folks I cared about most survive and I get to spend my golden years with them recovering from all the stress.
4) The fact that the end basically was stamped with DLC DLC DLC DLC BUY MOAR OF IT. If they'd planned this wholly unsatisfying ending with the purpose of making it better via DLC, I'd be a bit irked about it. I'd still get the DLC because I'm a chump, but still...
Oh, and good to know I wasn't the only one who picked the giant red button. Granted my Shepard was always more of the "RAWR DESTROY MACHINES" type. :D Never bought Legion's story in the first place in ME2, and I felt pretty darn justified when they handed over control of their fate, which was supposed to be of paramount importance, to the Reapers. Plus, with the Geth already nuked out of the galaxy, the only other main thing besides the reapers I was nuking off was EDI, who frankly became really darned creepy in this game. Figured giving living critters the chance to rebuild with their own choices was better than forcing everyone into fusion mode, which seemed really bizarre. And controlling reapers...? No. Also fits the selfish goal of not dying.
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It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
1. I'm not reading any spoiler tags. At all.
2. The spacebar isn't as annoying in SP as it is in MP. Being able to remap separate functions would help, though.
3. The game is mostly emotional porn. I don't mind this, considering this is the end of the series (so far). Particular scenes stand out for me as tearjerkers.
4. I finally reclaimed my Carnifex in MP. It just got real, son!
5. I just bought the Black Widow in SP. DO WANT IN MP!
6. Still rocking the Infiltrator and Adept in MP. Two levels away from maxing out my Infiltrator.
7. Sticky Grenades (landmine upgrade) seems less reliable in SP than MP. They randomly wont explode when you throw them near an enemy, despite working perfectly in MP.
So I've finally started playing and up until now I got just one question. Where are my heavy weapons. Infact where are all those weapons that I purchased and edited into my save file. I mean I thought weapons were supposed to import but I cannot find the Collector Assault Rifle anywhere.
Aside from that the game is good. Combat certainly is a lot better. The dialogues are not. there are fewer 'options' and chances to actually pick what one wants to say. I think in a conversation with Ashley I actually got to pick what I wanted to say just once after which the thing carried out like an automatic dialogue.
The horizon is nothing save the limit of our sight.
So I've finally started playing and up until now I got just one question. Where are my heavy weapons.
In a particular mission, I've only gotten the flamethrower, and it's not a permanent weapon. Switch out weapons and it drops to the floor, but you can pick it up again. Cant bring it with you, however.
I've seen the Mattock here and there as a permanent pickup, but I don't think I started with one. I didn't really care, since I play an Infiltrator. I would have liked to have my damn Widow back, but now that I have the vastly superior Black Widow, I don't care either. Once you get the Normandy, you can go down to the cargo hold and buy weapons/upgrades.
Went back to multiplayer. Unlocked asari vanguard and quarian infiltrator. Absolutely adoring the infiltrator- sabotage is absolutely hilarious against cerberus. The vanguard is awesome- stasis on class is excellent. Also discovered the asari power melee is essentially a longer duration nova. Awesome.
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
In a particular mission, I've only gotten the flamethrower, and it's not a permanent weapon. Switch out weapons and it drops to the floor, but you can pick it up again. Cant bring it with you, however.
I've seen the Mattock here and there as a permanent pickup, but I don't think I started with one. I didn't really care, since I play an Infiltrator. I would have liked to have my damn Widow back, but now that I have the vastly superior Black Widow, I don't care either. Once you get the Normandy, you can go down to the cargo hold and buy weapons/upgrades.
I think the best sniper can be bought from Specter requisition office for 35 or 40 k creds.
Also I just found out that I can apparently get all the weapons back but I'll have to scrounge for them on missions. Why did the Alliance have to nick all my weapons and gear?
And I recruited the Prothean. He is hilarious. In the very first conversation with Liara present,
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He remarks that he finds it amusing how the primitives of his time are ruling the galaxy, Asari, Turians and Humans. Liara adds;
Liara : You forgot Salarians.
Javik : The lizard people evolved?
Liara : I think they are amhpibious.
Javik : (blank look) They used to eat flies.
The horizon is nothing save the limit of our sight.
Unlocked the Black Widow sniper rifle in MP. Oh my. That's all I can say - such a huge upgrade over the mantis that I was using before. Think i'll start to level the infiltrator again just so i can use it and not feel guilty about sniping as an engineer
I think Reapers are the hardest enemies to fight in MP without question. I've yet to complete a Silver rank game against the reapers. Cerberus are the easiest imo, with geth being neither too hard nor too easy. Their missile spam is a bit annoying though.
Unlocked the Black Widow sniper rifle in MP. Oh my. That's all I can say - such a huge upgrade over the mantis that I was using before. Think i'll start to level the infiltrator again just so i can use it and not feel guilty about sniping as an engineer
I think Reapers are the hardest enemies to fight in MP without question. I've yet to complete a Silver rank game against the reapers. Cerberus are the easiest imo, with geth being neither too hard nor too easy. Their missile spam is a bit annoying though.
Are there other enemies to fight against, or is it just those three?
Blue Suns/Eclipse/Blood Pack or Collectors maybe?
I have the game, but it is at my house whereas I am at school... spring break can't come too soon!
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Are there other enemies to fight against, or is it just those three?
Blue Suns/Eclipse/Blood Pack or Collectors maybe?
I have the game, but it is at my house whereas I am at school... spring break can't come too soon!
No its just those three. Looks like they focused on the 3 main antagonists you faced from ME3. Reaper forces are heavily melee based. It isnt bad at first, but at around wave 5 when Banshees, Ravagers and Brutes start rushing you things get incredibly chaotic. Best way my friends and I have found to deal with them is to split up 2 by 2 and try to pick the wave apart. Sometimes it works, other times its a nightmare. But every time we've stayed together everything always falls apart - there's just too much melee flushing us out of cover to be killed by Reaper fire support.
Geth aren't nearly as bad as their heavy hitters are pyros, rocket troops and hunters (cloaked shotgun rush). The pyros are easily dispatched by good snipers or engineers, take out their shields and then shoot the tanks on their backs for easy explosion kills. The rocket troops and hunters are what you really have to watch out for. Shotgun rush can kill you pretty quick (two hits on silver and you're done) so you need to be watching for them. Rocket troops aren't a big threat, just annoying.
Cerberus is the same as they were in the demo, which is why I listed them as the easiest. They are a familiar enemy, and you've had a ton of practice in dealing with them.
Not only are their troops much easier to control than Geth and Reaper forces, but (with the exception of Phantoms) they are predominately a ranged force. So snipers get to have a field day.
I disagree. I find the Geth to be easy mode. A good Infiltrator with a Mantis can take out the Geth Prime in just a few shots. The rockets can be avoided easily with cover, the Geth Hunters are only a threat if you aren't paying attention, and the flamethrowers are not a factor unless you get them close enough to you. The only disadvantage to fighting Geth is that Stasis (and Stasis bubbles) cant lock down the Geth Pyros because they are armored troops, but a good biotic explosion takes care of that problem.
And I do agree that the Reapers are the hardest of the three. You haven't seen terror until you face two Banshees and a handful of Brutes at the same time in Silver.
Do not go into a multiplayer game while your store is open, or go into the store while "ready" at all. Unready if you want to buy a pack or if you accidentally click on store.
If you head into a mission while your store is open you run the risk of encountering an unlock reset bug which will wipe away all your weapons and races. I just ran into it and apparently i'm not alone. A lot of others got it too and the best Bioware can offer currently is "this is what causes it, we're trying to fix it."
I opened up a Spectre Pack, got myself another Geth Plasma Shotgun and... a Cobra Missile Launcher Capacity upgrade. I was NOT expecting that to be in the upgrades, but I love it none the less.
I also unlocked the Widow earlier. It's not the Black Widow, but it's still a significant upgrade from the Mantis.
So I tried to import my ME2 save and it says I didn't save the council? pretty sure I did?
I haven't noticed anything like that. My save imported correctly with the council alive and well. The only thing that messed up was the face of my shepard - for some ungodly reason Bioware changed face codes so some faces got broken.
Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae
I opened up a Spectre Pack, got myself another Geth Plasma Shotgun and... a Cobra Missile Launcher Capacity upgrade. I was NOT expecting that to be in the upgrades, but I love it none the less.
That will come in handy for the Reaper waves. You can never have enough missiles to deal with the Banshee/Brute swarm...
I haven't noticed anything like that. My save imported correctly with the council alive and well. The only thing that messed up was the face of my shepard - for some ungodly reason Bioware changed face codes so some faces got broken.
Showing me within spoiler tags, will this effect my end result?
Edit: From what I read one key decision from ME2 and your war readiness are the only factors on how the ending plays out? let down much?
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End result as in overall ending of the game? Highly doubtful due to the way the game is structured
Past choices will influence how specific plot threads are resolved. The Council is involved in one such thread in ME3, and by not having saved them in ME1 (and to an extent, burning bridges in ME2) you may have to settle for the bronze instead of getting the gold in that instance.
Edit: From what I read one key decision from ME2 and your war readiness are the only factors on how the ending plays out? let down much?
edit:
structural talk about how the ending works. Minor spoilers overall but some people might not like it.
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Some people think so. The biggest contributing factor for the ending is your war assets, ie, how many people you've brought into the fight. If they aren't high enough you won't be unable to unlock the "best" ending. Most people are disappointed with the endings as is due to the way the game is structured. But there's been so much hyperbole engaged on both sides that the entire discussion is absolutely exhausting.
Do yourself a favor and stay away from spoilers and take it as it comes. Make up your own mind whether you like it or no. There's enough blind opinions on this subject.
And for the love of god stay off the bioware forums. You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and idiocy.
Scum and idiocy? I've seen several neo natzi and fundie forums after trawling through FSTDT, these guys are practically sunshine and rainbows by my standards.
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Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Don't be scared that you don't freak out. Be scared when you don't care about freaking out
Scum and idiocy? I've seen several neo natzi and fundie forums after trawling through FSTDT, these guys are practically sunshine and rainbows by my standards.
Absolutely they are. Something as trivial as a video game has caused people of those forums to maliciously attack others. Facebook trolling because you dont like the game they like, phone spamming, it was all pretty much there leading up to launch. It's one thing to disagree with one another, its a complete different thing to throw a tantrum on that magnitude. It's absolutely ridiculous, all of it.
Without resorting to Godwin that forum is populated by self-entitled without merit.
Originally Posted by rajpoot
Most of them are just too passionate about their games.
Yes I caught that. . Crying that a game has ruined your life is not acceptable, either if its true or if its hyperbole. The news section is just about the only place where anything resembling information can be obtained. The rest is an example of why online game communities suck
Absolutely they are. Something as trivial as a video game has caused people of those forums to maliciously attack others. Facebook trolling because you dont like the game they like, phone spamming, it was all pretty much there leading up to launch. It's one thing to disagree with one another, its a complete different thing to throw a tantrum on that magnitude. It's absolutely ridiculous, all of it.
people do stupid hateful things when they're upset and what happened was pretty upsetting, considering how much was invested and how many hopes were dashed in this one, there's nothing especially heinous about this reaction beyond the standard disdainful acts of some of the internet's less mature denizen's, which comes part and parcel of anything on the internet. There's not much special about this one.
Without resorting to Godwin that forum is populated by self-entitled without merit.
Really? After reading though the link beskie gave us I've seen quite afew coherent and thought out complaints in there, methinks your statement is a tad hyperbole.
Yes I caught that. . Crying that a game has ruined your life is not acceptable, either if its true or if its hyperbole. The news section is just about the only place where anything resembling information can be obtained. The rest is an example of why online game communities suck
Present company excluded, I would hope.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Don't be scared that you don't freak out. Be scared when you don't care about freaking out
Back to the topic of the game itself and not its community, i suppose
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
I personally was confused until I saw the bonus scene after the credits.(NG+ or a Imported ME2 was needed or so I was told)
That is one reason why I don't view the endings in such a negative light than many others do.
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The scene after the credits seems to heavily imply that while civilization fell, a new one was built. However my biggest hangup is one i share with what others have expressed here, in that there just isn't enough said. A little exposition would have went a long way, and while they tried to do that, there's still tons of questions left floating around. The normandy sequence didn't help putting any of those questions to rest, in fact it just gave me more!
I am in the mood for co-op these days. I'd be glad to play on Bronze/Silver but would prefer silver, even after i got my weapons erased I still enjoy the MP quite a bit. I unlocked the Geth Plasma weapons and am having a ball gunning down Reapers with them. Origin name is HardLuckRabbit, same as steam
Well, I can put it this way. There are plans for a Mass Effect MMO.
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Well, I can put it this way. There are plans for a Mass Effect MMO.
I haven't heard anything about that. Source? It would make sense story wise if they wanted to do so. ME3's endings would be the perfect launch point for an MMO's setting/story.
But honestly I can't see it happening. If SWTOR had done better then maybe, but with that game's current state of health I can't seriously foresee EA thinking another half-baked bioware mmo would be a good idea. (its really not)
My origin/steam user name is dotjohn999 and if your asking why...I lost a bet with my roommate.
Edit: I am REALLY upset with the MP on ME3...after being disconnected from 3 games(In progress and winning by a thread till the disconnect) in a row, this is starting to look more unreliable then any other MP in a game I have played.
Are they having server troubles or is it something on my end?
Edit: I am REALLY upset with the MP on ME3...after being disconnected from 3 games(In progress and winning by a thread till the disconnect) in a row, this is starting to look more unreliable then any other MP in a game I have played.
Are they having server troubles or is it something on my end?
There are no servers. It's a peer-to-peer lobby system. If you are having connection problems, it's on your end.
Weird...because I checked the bioware tech forums and it seems like other people are running into the same issues I am. Mind you, I played a few games after my post and run thur them without the same issue popping up.
Edit: Don't know if it was mentioned but they seem to have fixed that bug Monk was talking about.
Weird...because I checked the bioware tech forums and it seems like other people are running into the same issues I am. Mind you, I played a few games after my post and run thur them without the same issue popping up.
Re: Mass Effect 3
Originally Posted by Monk
But no, I can understand where you're coming from. I'm certainly not going to say you're wrong for feeling that way or for wanting it to end differently. If anything, I seem to be in the minority when it comes to the discussion on the endings. Most people feel as you do - they love 98% of the game but get let down in the end.
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without merit. 
. Crying that a game has ruined your life is not acceptable, either if its true or if its hyperbole. The news section is just about the only place where anything resembling information can be obtained. The rest is an example of why online game communities suck
people do stupid hateful things when they're upset and what happened was pretty upsetting, considering how much was invested and how many hopes were dashed in this one, there's nothing especially heinous about this reaction beyond the standard disdainful acts of some of the internet's less mature denizen's, which comes part and parcel of anything on the internet. There's not much special about this one.
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