Crusader Kings II

**Fisherking** · 04-14-2012, 16:44

For what ever reason NPCs are much better at this than the Player. I know in a couple of games my vassals convert them years a head of me.

It would be great if they made a Justicair or Prime Minister for your counsel. Someone who could add their values to the whole range and work on converting the population to your culture.

In Spain it seems one may change after 50 to 100 years. That may be like one county in 20 or 30 changes culture. It must be the slowest place to convert.

**Ishmael** · 04-16-2012, 10:33

Well, I just got comprehensively swindled by the AI.

I started as Connacht, and after finally uniting all of Ireland under my rule I set my sights on England. I'd somehow acquired a claim to the English throne (I have no idea how), and when the combined Anglo-Scottish Kingdom imploded, with several of its duchies simultaneously rebelling, I seized my opportunity and staked my claim. Beset as they were by myself, the French, and their own dukes, I didn't think it too suspicious when I was offered the throne of England at a mere 55% warscore. Unfortunately this turned out to be a bit of a white elephant. The English managed to keep all their territory by declaring it to be part of the Kingdom of Scotland (damned legal loopholes, should have read the fine print); furthermore, to add injury to insult all of their internal strife passed to me and so I found myself at war with 3 different duchies. On the plus side, I now have the legal means to bring the entire United Kingdom behind my banner (the Welsh, who have sizeable holdings in Spain, are closely linked to my dynasty). Should be fun

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**Monk** · 04-16-2012, 12:57

Originally Posted by Ishmael

Well, I just got comprehensively swindled by the AI.

I started as Connacht, and after finally uniting all of Ireland under my rule I set my sights on England. I'd somehow acquired a claim to the English throne (I have no idea how), and when the combined Anglo-Scottish Kingdom imploded, with several of its duchies simultaneously rebelling, I seized my opportunity and staked my claim. Beset as they were by myself, the French, and their own dukes, I didn't think it too suspicious when I was offered the throne of England at a mere 55% warscore. Unfortunately this turned out to be a bit of a white elephant. The English managed to keep all their territory by declaring it to be part of the Kingdom of Scotland (damned legal loopholes, should have read the fine print); furthermore, to add injury to insult all of their internal strife passed to me and so I found myself at war with 3 different duchies. On the plus side, I now have the legal means to bring the entire United Kingdom behind my banner (the Welsh, who have sizeable holdings in Spain, are closely linked to my dynasty). Should be fun

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Love it! Sounds like the AI got crafty on you but you've got the ability to still come out ahead. Good luck in the unification of the Isles!

As for where your claim came from it's quite possible it was handed down through an obscure cousin by way of marriage. If you've been marrying inside the isles then it's not a big surprise that either your character, or one of his family members, ends up with a distant claim on the throne. In my first Irish game I had the fun of fighting a war for the throne of England and ended up installing my brother as the monarch there. We ruled side by side, Ireland and England, for a good twenty years - until he stabbed me in the back.

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**Monk** · 04-16-2012, 22:04

Double post to remind you guys that tomorrow is the content patch. 1.04 had a smooth transition save-game wise, but with all the new events and features coming our way 1.05 might not be so lucky.

If you have a particularly fun game going (and are on steam) then do yourself a favor and switch steam to offline mode tonight, in all likelihood you won't get the chance to tomorrow before you are forcibly updated with the new version. Better to be safe than sorry when it comes to finishing up your saves.

**Monk** · 04-17-2012, 14:48

Complete 1.05 changes have been posted. Patch notes are at the following link, as well as reposted for your convenience: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/....05-Change-Log

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**rickinator9** · 04-17-2012, 15:37

I hope they have nerfed the mongols. They are unbeatable as of now. After the convert event they will be more united. As far as I know, they can summon 4 or more of these 'Mongol armies' which have no upkeep and come with 20000 men each.

I hope this patch is savegame compatible, otherwise I will have to quit my AAR or try to go to that point once again.

**jht** · 04-17-2012, 23:38

Originally Posted by Monk

If you have a particularly fun game going (and are on steam) then do yourself a favor and switch steam to offline mode tonight, in all likelihood you won't get the chance to tomorrow before you are forcibly updated with the new version. Better to be safe than sorry when it comes to finishing up your saves.

Originally Posted by rickinator9

I hope this patch is savegame compatible, otherwise I will have to quit my AAR or try to go to that point once again.

Gah, wish I'd read this earlier. Just turned on the comp to play another few years for my AAR, and just noticed "Steam has finished downloading Crusader Kings 2" come up... Crosses fingers for save game compatability.

**Monk** · 04-17-2012, 23:55

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Gah, wish I'd read this earlier. Just turned on the comp to play another few years for my AAR, and just noticed "Steam has finished downloading Crusader Kings 2" come up... Crosses fingers for save game compatability.

sorry guys but reports from the official forum are saying that it's not save game safe.

Paradox has apparently changed a ton of revolt modifiers and reworked rebelling vassals as well as independence war checks. Some who are attempting to load old games are reporting constant rebellions. Good luck, but it isn't looking good.

**jht** · 04-18-2012, 00:10

Doh!

My own fault really, knew a patch was coming soon and should have paid more attention. I'll fly through a few years and see how it goes. Thanks for the heads up, at least now I know what to look out for.

Just checking through the Paradox forums myself. Seems to be a few complaints about the editor dlc. It sounds very restrictive, personally I think if someone is paying for that they should be able to edit what they want, even if they make super characters and make the game easy. It isn't something I would buy, and if I did I would only change a few things around for roleplaying reasons, but charging for something that seems to have little real effect seems cheeky. Nearly as cheeky as a freaking ad on my start screen.

Are Paradox turning into Bioware?

**Monk** · 04-18-2012, 00:38

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Doh!

My own fault really, knew a patch was coming soon and should have paid more attention. I'll fly through a few years and see how it goes. Thanks for the heads up, at least now I know what to look out for.

Just checking through the Paradox forums myself. Seems to be a few complaints about the editor dlc. It sounds very restrictive, personally I think if someone is paying for that they should be able to edit what they want, even if they make super characters and make the game easy. It isn't something I would buy, and if I did I would only change a few things around for roleplaying reasons, but charging for something that seems to have little real effect seems cheeky. Nearly as cheeky as a freaking ad on my start screen.

I haven't had a chance to play with it yet. I'm waiting for the release on steam before buying it - it appears that a number of bugs slipped through Q and A but Paradox has already promised a hotfix coming in the next day or so. Some of the complaints may be related to oddities in that regard, as to its restrictions i cannot say one way or another.

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Are Paradox turning into Bioware?

Oh stop it you. In order for them to get to that level William the Bastard would have been a DLC addition added at launch.

**jht** · 04-18-2012, 00:49

Originally Posted by Monk

Oh stop it you. In order for them to get to that level William the Bastard would have been a DLC addition added at launch.

I did feel guilty immediately after posting that, when I remembered I have received three free games from Paradox this year.

**Monk** · 04-18-2012, 13:00

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I did feel guilty immediately after posting that, when I remembered I have received three free games from Paradox this year.

I submit to you exhibit B for paradox being awesome: Hotfix inbound less than 24 hours after the content patch.

Folks, some major bugs slipped into 1.05. Apologies. We'll release a hot fix later today, fixing the following issues:

- Fixed a bug with all children getting the exact same education trait
- The mouse wheel now works for scrolling in all windows again
- Autopause on events in full screen mode now works again
- AI: Made smarter about when to join Crusades/Jihads. Reduced "dogpiling".
- MP: Fixed issue where the client was able to change starting date in the lobby, causing all kinds of issues
- Fixed a bug with de jure assimilation of duchies when the king himself held counties in it
- Fixed an issue with some plots where plotters did not get what they plotted for
- Fixed an issue with war contribution scores turning negative and strange in huge, drawn-out wars
- AI: Less keen on picking the 'Revoke Vassal Title' plot
- Exported WOMEN_INHERIT_PRESSED_CLAIMS and BASTARDS_INHERIT_PRESSED_CLAIMS to defines
- Added some missing French and German translations

I'll be waiting for this hotfix to dive into the game proper.

Also!

Steam is dragging their feet in releasing the ruler designer. The DLC is up on GG, but for some reason Valve is holding it up on their service and Paradox has no idea why.

If you bought your copy of CKII on steam and are frustrated, do not panic! You can buy the ruler designer from other outlets and activate the code they give you on steam. I just bought mine from amazon and can comfirm the code they gave me activated fine with Steam.

edit:

Played around with the ruler designer and I can see where some people are disappointed. The adding of traits is balanced so that positive traits will add years onto your rulers life before you start with a max starting age of 50. The other side of that same coin is that negative traits will remove years from the starting age, with a minimum of age 16. This means that it's impossible to customize a super king who has every positive stat in the game, without paying some kind of "penalty." It works out honestly, and it's not hard to create rulers whom are still good, just not overpowered.

The interesting thing is that customizing an existing character, while it changes your dynasty to a custom one, will NOT wipe out that character's claims. For instance I decided to customize one of the Rus dukes for a test run and turned him into a woman. I changed her dynasty to something other than Rurikovich and headed in game - sure enough, she had all the claims the default duke had.

So far I like what I see from the DLC and it's exactly what I wanted. I don't think i'll be using it in every game I play, but I'll certainly use it whenever I want to completely rewrite history with a custom dynasty

**Monk** · 04-18-2012, 16:17

I hope you guys will forgive the recent double posts but I had a pretty cool idea and I wanted to share it with the CKII players we have at the .org. There was a a bundle of DLC released yesterday. The Ruler Designer was obviously the biggest, but the game's soundtrack was also released in three packs, each $2 each. Paradox has taken a really fun route with the DLC to date, in that everything is either cosmetic or nonesential, so it struck me that a lot of you folks may have passed on this stuff. In light of that, I thought up a fun game for us to play. A challenge if you will.

CKII orgahs I give you the 1205 scenario: An Empire Divided.

In the aftermath of the fourth crusade Byzantium had fractured into three states. Byzantium itself, the Latin Empire controlled by western crusaders, and the Sultanate of Rum. The challenge I propose is thus. Take one of these three contenders for the state of the Empire, and claim your rightful place as the successor of Rome. How do you do that? Take your faction from the above, to this.

These are the de jure lines of the Byzantine Empire at the start of the 1204 start date as of patch 1.05. Achieving this will etch your faction's name into history as the true successor of the Roman legacy beyond a shadow of a doubt. To add some fun to this challenge I'll buy all the currently released DLC for the first person to push their faction to these de jure lines. Allow me to sum up!

Proposed challenge: Proclaim yourself the successor of the Roman Empire

Proposed Rules:

1. Only a start date of Janurary 1st, 1205 can be used.
2. Usable factions: Latin Empire, Byzantine Empire, Sultanate of Rum
3. No mods allowed! The only modding you are permitted to do is modding the ability to play as the Sultanate of Rum
4. No custom character. Let's keep it historically plausible.
5. You are permitted to try as many times as you wish.
6. The challenge will end when one person has reached the de jure extent of the Byzantine empire, as shown in my current screenshot, with one of the aforementioned factions.
7. No cheating! No console commands may be used other than fow commands, which I do not consider to be cheating. This is supposed to be fun more than anything.

Proposed Time limit: A time limit of one month will be imposed. So if we started today, the deadline would be May 18th. At the end of this time if no one has obtained the goal of a full Resurrection of Byzantine glory, players may submit their best attempts and the one who got closest will be declared the winner.

Proposed Prize:

First prize: All DLC currently purchasable for Crusader Kings II. This includes the soundtrack, mongol portraits, historical Coat of Arms, and the Ruler Designer.
Second Prize: A choice between the complete soundtrack DLC bundle or the Ruler Designer.

What do you guys think. Would you arena-ites be interested in me running this challenge?

**scottishranger** · 04-19-2012, 03:00

Very interesting challenge! I will start tomorrow haha!

**Tiaexz** · 04-19-2012, 04:12

I believe cheating can be made visible within the save game file? Not completely on this, but I think there is a method which you can test which used to be in effect for EU3:DW achievement system. If so, might be an idea to ask for save game uploads.

Perhaps doing an AAR with important dates or factors might be a key.

Either way, I am tempted to join in simply for the fun of it (so not wanting any prizes, simply the challenge) and I will choose.. the Latin Empire.

**Monk** · 04-19-2012, 13:55

Originally Posted by Tiaexz

I believe cheating can be made visible within the save game file? Not completely on this, but I think there is a method which you can test which used to be in effect for EU3:DW achievement system. If so, might be an idea to ask for save game uploads.

Perhaps doing an AAR with important dates or factors might be a key.

Either way, I am tempted to join in simply for the fun of it (so not wanting any prizes, simply the challenge) and I will choose.. the Latin Empire.

I think that's a great idea actually. Coupled with asking for an end game save state that really should be enough to spot any cheaters

Here would be a list of Revised Rules for the challenge, with that in mind. The only thing changed would be the final requirements to have a winning entry made valid.

1. Only a start date of Janurary 1st, 1205 can be used.
2. Usable factions: Latin Empire, Byzantine Empire, Sultanate of Rum
3. No mods allowed! The only modding you are permitted to do is modding the ability to play as the Sultanate of Rum
4. No custom character. Let's keep it historically plausible.
5. You are permitted to try as many times as you wish.
6. The challenge will end when one person has reached the de jure extent of the Byzantine empire, as shown in my current screenshot, with one of the aforementioned factions.
7. No cheating! No console commands may be used other than fow commands, which I do not consider to be cheating. This is supposed to be fun more than anything.
8. Participants will be required to submit a final save game state as well as screenshots as proof of their deed.
9. Participants will be required to recap key events in their rise to power for their fellow members in the style of an AAR. Said AAR does not have to be extravagant! However, this is about fun, and what's more fun than showing off how you rebuilt Rome in a weekend?

**frogbeastegg** · 04-19-2012, 14:16

There's another hotfix inbound. This one addresses randomly generated male characters appearing with 0 base stats.

**rickinator9** · 04-19-2012, 15:23

Originally Posted by Monk

I think that's a great idea actually. Coupled with asking for an end game save state that really should be enough to spot any cheaters

Here would be a list of Revised Rules for the challenge, with that in mind. The only thing changed would be the final requirements to have a winning entry made valid.

1. Only a start date of Janurary 1st, 1205 can be used.
2. Usable factions: Latin Empire, Byzantine Empire, Sultanate of Rum
3. No mods allowed! The only modding you are permitted to do is modding the ability to play as the Sultanate of Rum
4. No custom character. Let's keep it historically plausible.
5. You are permitted to try as many times as you wish.
6. The challenge will end when one person has reached the de jure extent of the Byzantine empire, as shown in my current screenshot, with one of the aforementioned factions.
7. No cheating! No console commands may be used other than fow commands, which I do not consider to be cheating. This is supposed to be fun more than anything.
8. Participants will be required to submit a final save game state as well as screenshots as proof of their deed.
9. Participants will be required to recap key events in their rise to power for their fellow members in the style of an AAR. Said AAR does not have to be extravagant! However, this is about fun, and what's more fun than showing off how you rebuilt Rome in a weekend?

Why no Epirus and Trebizond? Will be a pretty difficult challenge. Even the scenario when you have taken constantinople from the latins is difficult.

**Monk** · 04-19-2012, 15:42

Originally Posted by rickinator9

Why no Epirus and Trebizond? Will be a pretty difficult challenge. Even the scenario when you have taken constantinople from the latins is difficult.

You'll have to excuse my ignorance on the start date at hand, i chose what i considered to be the three largest contenders for the fate of the empire. Epirus and Trebizond would be an added challenge to an already challenging scenario, but if a player wants to start from them and forge an even greater empire then I don't see why not.

I can include them in the list of approved factions without much trouble, I think.

I am in the process of finalizing the challenge now and would welcome any and all feedback you guys have to offer. This is for our members, so whatever makes this more fun for you guys I am completely open to.

**Tiaexz** · 04-19-2012, 17:46

Originally Posted by rickinator9

Why no Epirus and Trebizond? Will be a pretty difficult challenge. Even the scenario when you have taken constantinople from the latins is difficult.

I think it is more like "3 Great Destinies". You have Rum which historically becomes the Ottoman Empire, you have Byzantium, the last remaining stronghold of the old Roman Empire, then you have the Latin Empire as complete outsiders. From a narrative point of view, this is more interesting of a concept.

From a game-play point of view though, Byzantium would be the easiest to achieve the objection on (due to de-jure changes in 1.05), Latin Empire being the hardest.

**jht** · 04-19-2012, 18:20

Sounds like something to occupy myself with after the patch killed my AAR. Would everybody make their own thread with updates on their campaigns, or would you have one thread for all participants?

I think limiting it to Rum, Byzantium and the Crusader would be good, as Beskie said, the "3 Great Destinies" with the different participants showing a different perspective.

**Monk** · 04-19-2012, 18:59

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Sounds like something to occupy myself with after the patch killed my AAR. Would everybody make their own thread with updates on their campaigns, or would you have one thread for all participants?

I think limiting it to Rum, Byzantium and the Crusader would be good, as Beskie said, the "3 Great Destinies" with the different participants showing a different perspective.

I'll be making a thread for the challenge itself so we don't clog up this thread. Posting your exploits there, as well as final entries, will be heavily encouraged! It will be here in the arena sometime today, keep an eye for it!

**Tiaexz** · 04-19-2012, 19:22

I tried one game already and I gave up.

I married into Sicily, thinking that they would be the hardest and most profitable gain I could get. Epius declared war so I was using my resources to fight them (I was winning), then I ended up in a massive civil war which came to a bloody conclusion when Byzantium got involved. (my remaining 6k worth of armies getting crushed by a 12k stack, leaving me and the rebels completely defenceless to oppose their might)

By the looks of it, I will have to play the first couple of years as an absolute tyrant in order to have the strength to fight the Byzantines.

Looked like a fun era though, there were a great number of wars going on.

**jht** · 04-19-2012, 19:28

I think I'd need to change my play style to have any chance of winning this. I'll be getting towards the end of my first year, thinking I'm doing well, then check the forum to see eighteen people have already completed the challenge and I haven't even fought a single battle...

**Tiaexz** · 04-19-2012, 19:52

1.0.5c is now on Steam. Should make the challenge worth trying. I expect the winner to be a Byzantine though, they do have the advantage.

I am disliking the Design Ruler DLC though. It is far too strict. I was trying to recreate Jamie Lannister, and just giving him a good martial trait bumps him up to like 34 years old. So here is the "base" I used, if anyone feels like getting the look I came up with.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Monk** · 04-19-2012, 20:10

Challenge thread is up at this link: http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...Empire-Divided

I encourage you guys to share your attempts there.

Rules have been revised to not be so stressful for our members who have less time on their hands.

**Tiaexz** · 04-19-2012, 23:49

and I lost my costume after entering the game. I think I might end up just save editing a characters traits in the future, which makes it disappointing to do.

Okay...
So I joined a crusade where I did the most work as in taking the most territories. At the end of it, it said King of France was biggest contributor (boo) and then it gave all the land to the already present Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Not sure how this is working..

**rickinator9** · 04-20-2012, 14:46

@Tiaexz

Here's the change log for the hot fix (v1.05c):

- Fixed a bug with some randomly created characters getting 0 base skills
- Fixed a bug with war contribution score not always being given from occupied Holdings
- You no longer gain intrigue for succeeding with murder plots
- AI: Revolters now a bit smarter about when to pick the Independence CB
- AI: Adjusted down the Crusade joining a bit more
- Increased the delay between Crusades
- Exported REVOLT_DISTANCE_FACTOR, REVOLT_OTHER_INDEP_RISK and REVOLT_OTHER_INDEP_RISK_CAP to defines
- You can no longer start military type plots against someone you have a truce with
- Fixed a bug where children born after the father had died would themselves immediately die
- AI: Should not revoke titles off vassals while at war with someone big
- Rebellious vassals who do NOT seek independence will tend to keep the the peace while there are independence revolts going on
- Fixed a bug with a duel event (100411), where a ruler could banish himself

Maybe that's where your problem lies.

I want to see a more M2TW feel to religion. Rather than having the whole region have one religion, let them have multiple religions. Each religion has a percentage of the regions believers. Having Higher state religion percentages in your empire will increase religious authority.

**Tiaexz** · 04-20-2012, 14:55

I have 1.5c as the patch and got the correct checksum.

But yeah, even then, it declared King of France the winner but KoJ got all the territory except the territory I took, which reverted to some Muslim Emir. Was really weird.

**Monk** · 04-20-2012, 17:24

Post 1.05 western empires have been seriously nerfed, mostly due to the independance war changes. If one vassal rebels they can usually handle it. Two? Still, probably handle it. Any more than that and it's a good bet at least one of those wars will end with a new independant faction:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Toscana and Provence both look to be in very good positions to win their independence early in the game, especially if they work together. Weak emperors are now a huge problem for our familiar grey blobs. Will be interesting to see how this further pans out as I play deeper into the campaign.

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