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    I can't get too excited - not only because there's not a lot to go on in that webpage, but also because the originals were so good it's hard to see them being improved on and because they were also essentially complete, so a story-based sequel makes less sense. However, I will keep an eye on it.

    The wave of nostalgia this provoked, and reading the speculation you linked, started me wondering about getting the anthology of the Infinity Engine games now available, apparently patched to work with Windows 7:

    http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DDB-DBAM...ter-collection

    At £5, it's hard to argue with the price.
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    My speculation is a rerelease with an updated version of the IE engine. Improved graphics and interface, at least up to IWD2 levels, and possibly with 3.5 rules. I wouldn't be surprised if they combined the entire thing into a single continuous game as well. That's been done by mods (as has the port to the IWD2 engine), so it shouldn't be too hard to do it with the real game.

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    I hope it's my long awaited continuous (and updated) game. An AI similar to DA:O would be nice as well as the ability to use both third and first person.

    We'll see.

    Wait, Is Infinity only top down? Well, as long as I can get to squad-style combat again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Wait, Is Infinity only top down? Well, as long as I can get to squad-style combat again...
    Yes, the Infinity Engine is strictly isometric. It was used for both BG games, Planescape, and both Icewind Dale games. The final and most 'advanced' version was used in Icewind Dale 2. The engine that followed it was the Aurora Engine, which started with Neverwinter Nights. It, and updated versions of it, was used for all NWN, KOTOR, NWN2, KOTOR2, and Jade Empire.

    Personally, I prefer isometric for party-based games. Party management has never been good in any Bioware game since they left the Infinity Engine, and they only made it bearable by significantly reducing the size of the party. I think the best isometric (and party management) engine that was ever created was whatever was used for The Temple of Elemental Evil. That engine was truly superb, even if the game itself had some significant issues.
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    Oh well...

    Reading the news articles I get an impression that it may just be a mobile port. Decent enough for tablets I guess.

    Unrelated but I posted server news in the Minecraft thread.


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    A rerelease would be awesome! I love Baldur's Gate, but can't play it anymore because of the graphics and the old rules.
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    I've lost track of the progress but I remember an attempt to remake Planescape with DA:O or NWN2...something like that.


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    That music brought me back. I'd definitely buy a updated re-release of BG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
    Yes, the Infinity Engine is strictly isometric. It was used for both BG games, Planescape, and both Icewind Dale games. The final and most 'advanced' version was used in Icewind Dale 2. The engine that followed it was the Aurora Engine, which started with Neverwinter Nights. It, and updated versions of it, was used for all NWN, KOTOR, NWN2, KOTOR2, and Jade Empire.

    Personally, I prefer isometric for party-based games. Party management has never been good in any Bioware game since they left the Infinity Engine, and they only made it bearable by significantly reducing the size of the party. I think the best isometric (and party management) engine that was ever created was whatever was used for The Temple of Elemental Evil. That engine was truly superb, even if the game itself had some significant issues.
    I dunno about this.

    The Infinity engine'd games are pretty much all legends and deserve their well earned status in the history of great gaming, and I enjoyed the ones I played.

    But I absolutely loved the Aurora engine as implemented in NWN1. It was essentially everything I wanted in a D20 game. Pretty good gfx, outstanding interface and controls, and it still kept all the wonderful D20 rules and calculations safely under the hood and operating smoothly as a well oiled machine. KOTOR1 was also outstanding. KOTOR2's interface suffered, NWN2's interface was horrible (xiahou and I agree violently about this one), Jade Empire was boring.

    To me, NWN1 was and remains the pinnacle of D20 gaming engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacker View Post
    I dunno about this.

    The Infinity engine'd games are pretty much all legends and deserve their well earned status in the history of great gaming, and I enjoyed the ones I played.

    But I absolutely loved the Aurora engine as implemented in NWN1. It was essentially everything I wanted in a D20 game. Pretty good gfx, outstanding interface and controls, and it still kept all the wonderful D20 rules and calculations safely under the hood and operating smoothly as a well oiled machine. KOTOR1 was also outstanding. KOTOR2's interface suffered, NWN2's interface was horrible (xiahou and I agree violently about this one), Jade Empire was boring.

    To me, NWN1 was and remains the pinnacle of D20 gaming engines.
    Yes, but those games allowed you control of, at most, the PC and one NPC. And in many cases it was just the PC solo. If they had tried to stuff 6 characters into that, like in the IE engine, it would have been very difficult to manage. The post-IE Bioware game that has best managed party NPCs is Dragon Age 2, and even there they only felt confident enough to pump it up to a 4 member party.

    I'm not saying the Aurora engine, or any of the other post-IE engines, have had bad interfaces. Many were pretty decent. However, they were not as good for large parties as IE. Hence my lack of enthusiasm about using those engines for a BG remake. BG was a great game not only for the story and the pseuod-open-world freedom, but also for the combat. The combat could be highly sophisticated and difficult, and success often required good timing of multiple actions by multiple characters, as well as micromanagement of character positioning. That could not be replicated in any of the post-IE games, at least not with a party of 6.

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    I like the remake idea because the originals are just too old for me to enjoy to be honest.

    I want a Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix kind of deal: 1080p quality sprites and interface, new voice acting, etc. but the exact same game otherwise.


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    It is Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, due out this summer. The main site is overloaded, but info via other sites indicates that it will include a graphical overhaul, mechanical overhaul, and new content written by some of the original creators. I'm certainly intrigued.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...hanced-Edition

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    I'm excited for that. The original is just too old and decrepit for me to enjoy I'm afraid.


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    I have no problems with the aesthetics of the old game but I would like to see it updated for a newer version of DnD rules. With a full party wielding composite or short bows, I tended just to mow down everything machine gun style. I also didn't like the temptation to keep re-rolling or min-maxing stats at character creation. The NWN/IWD2 era rules seemed generally better; I am not up to date on 4.0.

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    I'm only interested in BG if it's a new Dark Alliance game. The PC game sucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    I'm only interested in BG if it's a new Dark Alliance game. The PC game sucked.
    Oh no you didn't just say that

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    I agree with the infinity combat aspects. I really enjoy that type of squad level combat where bows rocked.


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    I really, really hope they update it to full 3.5 rules. 2nd Edition is really obsolete and inflexible, and it's a pain to go back to it after this long. I haven't played with 4th edition personally, but I listen to a lot of podcasts about it and it doesn't seem like it would fit well with the BG series. 3.5 seems to be the best fit. I would love to be able to replay the BG series as an armored mage.

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    I like 2nd edition better. Sure, it's inflexible but that's part of the fun.

    When I see examples of characters builds for NWN 2, I cry a little inside - 16 Pale Master/5 Fighter/3 Broken Fist/6 Red Dragon Disciple/2 Clean Sock/15 Alice in Wonderland.

    Give me good ol' inflexible 2nd edition over that any day of the week.

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    I prefer 2nd edition myself, too much flexibilty in RPG character creation nowadays! Still, at least 3.5 is not Bethesda's roleplaying experience where you can't really roleplay a character with well defined strengths and weaknesses. Yes, I know a party based game has more scope to allow for that, but I find it difficult to enjoy playing a character who can do everything in RPGs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    I prefer 2nd edition myself, too much flexibilty in RPG character creation nowadays! Still, at least 3.5 is not Bethesda's roleplaying experience where you can't really roleplay a character with well defined strengths and weaknesses. Yes, I know a party based game has more scope to allow for that, but I find it difficult to enjoy playing a character who can do everything in RPGs.
    IMO, lack of flexibility stifles roleplaying. It's one thing to give people bonus for playing a 'preferred' method and penalties for creating characters that do odd things with their classes, but it's another thing to directly block characters from taking an alternate route if they want to. 2E actively hurts roleplaying IMO, because of some of its ridiculous restrictions. Why only blunt weapons for clerics? Really? A cleric is going to be excommunicated if they use a blade? Are you seriously telling me those flanged maces and spiked morning stars don't cut people? Why can't a wizard cast a spell in leather armor? Sure, maybe he has a higher chance of spell failure, but a total inability is ridiculous. 2E makes me play a character that the creators of the game designed, not that I designed myself. It's got about as much class variety in it as Diablo 2.
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    It is Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, due out this summer. The main site is overloaded, but info via other sites indicates that it will include a graphical overhaul, mechanical overhaul, and new content written by some of the original creators. I'm certainly intrigued.
    I'd like a shot at an updated BG2. Years ago (a few years after it came out), I gave the sibling game Icewind Dale a try and struggled greatly with the interface mechanics so much that I gave up in frustration. So I figured that any possibility of trying the legendary BG2 would be equally futile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Oh no you didn't just say that

    EXCELLENT news these a landmark games, rpg-gaming just doesn't get any better. Fallout as well please kthx. Not that I don't like the new Fallout games but...
    I did. You know how I'll never play an RPG on the PC. There are 3 reasons 1. Baldur's Gate 2. Neverwinter nights 3. Fallout 3, all the proof I needed that a keyborad/mouse it not to be used for an RPG game.


    Also this isn't a new game it's a compilation of BG 1 and 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    ...all the proof I needed that a keyborad/mouse it not to be used for an RPG game.
    It is a matter of personal preferences. I find using a controller inconvenient in just about every possible sense - especially for an RPG or shooter.
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    For a shooter you could argue that. But not for an RPG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    Also this isn't a new game it's a compilation of BG 1 and 2.
    I don't think they're being compiled. From the description, it appears that they will be released Enhanced Editions of both BG1 and BG2, but as stand-alones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    For a shooter you could argue that. But not for an RPG.
    He can't argue that he finds it more inconvenient? I think the fact that he has just done so disproves your point. I also agree with him.

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