SS 6.4 - "Europa I" - Late Era

[Rougeman]

@Nightbringer

i believe the crusaders are a bit confused, the Moor's assistance was asked for by the King of Italy, since the Anti-Pope had taken it from us, he has been killed and it has been arranged for Pisa to be returned to Italian Control, however i ask the Crusaders to give back control of Bari to the King of Italy and sign a peace.

[Nightbringer]

Well, what say you @freakkriek? do you accept my offer?

[Myth]

We had thought that Italy had succumbed to anarchy and that the Moors had began plundering European lands. When we see Pisa returned into Sicillian hands we will of course relinquish the fortress of Bari and end this misunderstanding. We request however, that Sicilly returns Rome to the Papacy, as that unlawful occupation of the Holy city is beyond absurd.

[Rougeman]

Does the Pope need land to spread the will of God?

[Mithridate]

Tsk, brink of war and demands are still placed after having been repeatedly in the wrong

To argue from a position of power, you actually need power or... well, some leverage
You have none, so how about ending this folly now before there is proper bloodshed?

The moors stand with sicily, the moors shall fight on the behalf of the HRE

[Myth]

Tsk, brink of war and demands are still placed after having been repeatedly in the wrong

To argue from a position of power, you actually need power or... well, some leverage
You have none, so how about ending this folly now before there is proper bloodshed?

The moors stand with sicily, the moors shall fight on the behalf of the HRE

The Moors shall be slaughtered.

[Mithridate]

Now thats more like it, a true crusader!

We shall meet in glorious battle

[freakkriek]

The Kaiser has no intention to be known througout the world as a mad warmongering fool. However giving up a key military structure for gaining a fragile peace with the Caliph while it will place the Crusaders at his borders, who keep having agitated speaches towards the Kaisers Moorish and Italian friends, has no point. If the world politics stay the same the Kaiser has no other options then to keep fighting this just war.

[Myth]

The Italians, having a new King elected recently, will receive Crusader support and Bari will be returned to them, repaired of all damage our storming the walls may have caused. This will be done once no Moorish foot is upon the Italian Peninsula - It is enough that they have overtaken Iberia and England.

Also, we request that the new King of Sicilly shows himself worthy of such support, by returning Rome to His Holiness the Pope. Only then will we know that Catholicism is not threatened. Kaiser, you must not fear the Crusader States, you would do better to embrace us as friends. When the Moorish Caliph runs out of land to conquer, you may yet fall upon our Kingdom and the vast resources of our good friend the Fatamid Calihph for support. Also, I wish it to be known that the Fatamid Caliph is a just and wise man, and he has not intended for Europe to be plunged into a forceful conversion to Islam and has never made claims for territories west of the Dalmatian coast. As such, trust may be bestowed freely upon him, unlike with our Moorish friend who slaughters yet another Cathoilc peoples in the west.

[Mithridate]

The Italians, having a new King elected recently, will receive Crusader support and Bari will be returned to them, repaired of all damage our storming the walls may have caused. This will be done once no Moorish foot is upon the Italian Peninsula - It is enough that they have overtaken Iberia and England.

You do not make demands of us, the notion is both laughable and highly offensive. It is clear to us that you seek war and only war...

Also, we request that the new King of Sicilly shows himself worthy of such support, by returning Rome to His Holiness the Pope. Only then will we know that Catholicism is not threatened. Kaiser, you must not fear the Crusader States, you would do better to embrace us as friends. When the Moorish Caliph runs out of land to conquer, you may yet fall upon our Kingdom and the vast resources of our good friend the Fatamid Calihph for support. Also, I wish it to be known that the Fatamid Caliph is a just and wise man, and he has not intended for Europe to be plunged into a forceful conversion to Islam and has never made claims for territories west of the Dalmatian coast. As such, trust may be bestowed freely upon him, unlike with our Moorish friend who slaughters yet another Cathoilc peoples in the west.

The pope is dead, long live the new pope! Truly it is sad when those whom acclaim themselves warriors of the faith are so misinformed. Unlike you, Sicily is no puppet so cease these attempts to fasten strings for your master. The Pope handles matters of faith, not you and thinking yourself to make decisions on their behalf is blasphemy to your own faith

Attempting to cause a rift is futile, Sicily knows we could have struck them as they suffered internal strife, that we would have captured nearly half their lands with them being unable to prevent such a thing. Without demands, without delay and without hesitation we turned around.

Now they stand prepared, our friendship stronger than ever as Moorish forces stand to answer their call and any eastern aggression.

We turn East... Or goal set, our purpose clear

[Myth]

See, fellow diplomats? It is this Moorish arrogance that I warned you against. They believe themselves our betters and only trough their benevolence do you yet breathe, or so they would put it. Draw your conclusions now, before drawing your swords on the battlefield.

[Nightbringer]

gah, played the first part of my turn forgetting that PvP was autoresolve only. Should have it up soon though.

[Nightbringer]

The Sultan wrath has been well and truly roused. His loyal people have been launched into a full war economy, adn tens of thousands of strong warriors march for the lands of the mad emperor.

That said,the Sultan again wishes to send his best wishes to the Lord of Novgorod. We know you have been friends of the Empire, but hope you may see that this war was not brought on by our choosing, and that you will see wisdom and remain neutral. We wish for only trade and friendship with you.

HRE up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10335

This should be good fight :)

[freakkriek]

England is up

@Rougeman

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[Rougeman]

@Mithridate

The English will stand their ground and stand to the last!

[Myth]

Aww, I had forgotten that we can't lead vs humans as well. I hope my faith in Catholic heavy cav was well placed. For the record I ARed versus Bari because I hate leading siege assaults.

[Mithridate]

The English used last stand

it was not very effective...

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Aberdeen is under siege, its the last scottish settlement and game crashes whenever i take it... Could you do it for me NB? Or fix it later on, Scotland will defeat my army if nothing is done as he has a stack close. Taking aberdeen ends him, id rather keep my army somewhat intact as i need to kill the last English stack.

You can Ar, but keep my losses low please... i lose 50 men when i play the battle at worst

@Nightbringer @LooseCannon1

Great turmoil in the world, negotiations with the HRE and Sicily are... Absurdly sluggish n spastic :)

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I hope Nightbringer is able to change my first post, since editing that is essential to this hotseat.

[Nightbringer]

I am, and I will be checking everything and updating things on turn 25 (when scores etc... are calculated).

[Nightbringer]

huh, @Mithridate, it is crashing for me as well. I'm not sure why it would though. I can't think of any bugs to do with killing off a faction. Can anyone else?

[Mithridate]

Disband the scottish stack and try again next turn if not? (Ai will likely attack n defeat me if not :( )
Tho then the English must not be allowed to attack me as i besiege as im supposed to be safely inside the town with a spy as well :P

Imho, test skipping a full turn cykle and see if the issue persists @Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Well, i skipped through a whole turn and it still crashed... :/

[Mithridate]

That is a major problem... Ill replay and keep scotland alive for one more turn then.
Perhaps beating his stack and thus killing all his FMs will solve it but ill lose a lot of men and actually give England a chance :P

Will do so soon, could you clear a save and send to... well anyone really to try to take the scottish town and end turn, one turn to peek on wont do me too much harm.
Try not to peek around Sicily and all is fine. @Nightbringer

[Myth]

Don't worry Mithirdate, my spies are all over your armies in Italy.

[Mithridate]

Well @Nightbringer sent save to anyone? want me to replay not besieging?
Want to play on and you disband the scottish stack before it attacks me?

[Nightbringer]

I did send the save to @Myth, but haven't heard back yet. :)

[Myth]

Ah yes, the Scotland bug. This happened to me in Single Player as England as well. The solution is to not take out their settlement this turn, I didn't get any help from the SS mod team on the TWC for that. It crashes to me as well, so I can't help.

BTW Mithirdate, great blitz with the Moors, 22 turns you almost wiped out the English and took so much land. Really well done. Did you use spies? I haven't even bothered with the spy rules for this game.

[Mithridate]

Aye, and lots of em ^^ Thank you for your praise, it is well received

Ill replay without attacking this turn, or forting for safety.
Edit: played, same pics

[LooseCannon1]

nothing much happening in the cold. Crusaders up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10344

[Myth]

Italy up. @Rougeman

Bari will be returned to it's rightful owners but we wish to talk with the King of Italy.