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    When you come from a small place, it's always fun when your hometown gets coverage in the media. It's even more fun when the media gets things wrong. And it's simply hilarious when the racist blogosphere includes it in their doomsday predictions.

    Our story begins at a Øren school in Drammen. Last year, before christmas, a fifth grade class planned the usual show, an evening event where the kids show what they've learned to their parents(singing, dancing, etc). No problems so far. However, it was decided that the santa hats was not to be worn. Instant big trouble. The national media reported it, the racist blogosphere seized it. An obvious example of liberals bending over to the demands of muslim immigrants! We need to protect our culture and the right to wear santa hats!!

    The usual outcry from the racists is that journalists do shoddy work, they don't dig deep enough to discover the facts and they don't check their sources. Well, the racists failed bigtime.

    Was it really a liberal imposing multiculture on innocent children? Were muslims involved? The answer is, of course, no. I don't work at the school myself, but I have colleagues and friends who work or have their children there. So, here's what actually happened:

    The teacher of the class sent out an invitation to a "santa party". One of the kids in the class is a jehovas witness, and they regard such icons as satanical. So, the kids parents informed the school that they would not take part if such hats were present. The teacher then had a choice. Have the event without hats or without the kid. The latter was chosen. Why? Because building a proper learning enviroment is extremely important. Having one kid absent from such an event could disrupt that(social isolation, etc etc). As the hats were not deemed integral to the event, they were dropped. A new invitation was sent out. As is usual, one kids parents didn't get the message, so they were asked to take off the hat when they arrived. They told the media about that, and then muslims were blamed as usual.

    Was the handling perfect? No. After some days, the principal told the media that it wasn't muslims behind it, it was a christian group. That's the only thing I take issue with. If the people want to be idiots, let them, there's no reason to give them information about pupils. But it can be forgiven considering the ammount of pressure she was under(reporters were outside her house etc).

    The racist blogosphere, however, cared little about the facts, as long as it allowed them to attack muslims. Pathetic. Needless to say, they did not post a follow up clearing up the mistake. I have my doubts they are even aware that they were wrong, or that they care that they were wrong. As long as they can play the "muslims are destroying our culture"-card, facts don't seem to be important.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    What the hell is anyone taking notice of a Jehovahs Witness for anyway? let them away off with themselves.

    Kids cannot wear Santa Hats because of one child why didnt they just not wear a hat themselves an leave everyone else alone.
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    We get this crap all the time in the UK. Most of the time the "story" has been cooked up by mental UKIP/fringe Christian types who, whilst being in the top 5% in the world in terms of wealth and comfort, decide that they are in fact a desperately and brutally persecuted sect, struggling for survival.

    In order to defend themselves they make the entirely defensive and christian step of whipping up racial and religious intolerance based on unsubstantiated BS.
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    There are about 15 000 members of JW in Norway. I doubt they are making the same considerations in every class that has a JW child.
    Do you want to spark a discussion of minority imposing their views on the majority and wins? Another angle on the ABB case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    There are about 15 000 members of JW in Norway. I doubt they are making the same considerations in every class that has a JW child.
    Do you want to spark a discussion of minority imposing their views on the majority and wins? Another angle on the ABB case?
    It seems to be more of an issue of the majority beating itself into submission to appease the demon of political correctness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    It seems to be more of an issue of the majority beating itself into submission to appease the demon of political correctness.
    Uh-huh. Lefties and their absolute faith in multiculture are the problem. I don't know why they crave it so badly but I also understand lemmings so it could just be me

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    * don't unerstand lemmings (edit is broken)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    It seems to be more of an issue of the majority beating itself into submission to appease the demon of political correctness.
    The child should have been excluded from the class if that was the wishes of the parents. They should not be allowed dictate things to everyone else. This obsession of trying to please everyone is how the Millennium Dome was reached.

    Generally Muslims get in the spotlight as they are the most intolerant group. But the same principle applies to any other group that acts in the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    The child should have been excluded from the class if that was the wishes of the parents. They should not be allowed dictate things to everyone else. This obsession of trying to please everyone is how the Millennium Dome was reached.

    Generally Muslims get in the spotlight as they are the most intolerant group. But the same principle applies to any other group that acts in the same way.

    If only you had a grasp of history Rory, you could put that reasonable brain to good use.

    Go and look at attitudes to Catholic emancipation in the 18th C, Jews in the late 19th C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    The child should have been excluded from the class if that was the wishes of the parents. They should not be allowed dictate things to everyone else. This obsession of trying to please everyone is how the Millennium Dome was reached.
    Surely you've just got to treat it on a case by case basis. If one pupil or a minority of pupils felt strongly about something that the rest were pretty indifferent towards, it hardly seems unreasonable to try to accomodate them to some degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    The child should have been excluded from the class if that was the wishes of the parents. They should not be allowed dictate things to everyone else. This obsession of trying to please everyone is how the Millennium Dome was reached.

    Generally Muslims get in the spotlight as they are the most intolerant group. But the same principle applies to any other group that acts in the same way.

    The kid should absolutely not be excluded. The parents are the problem, and the kid should not be made to suffer because of them. A teacher has a responsibility towards the kids, not the parents. A school cannot choose parents for the kids, but we sure as hell can do our utmost to counter their negative influence.

    Bloody parents. The main problem with todays schools. The only thing coming close to that title is political involment. Of any colour.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    There are about 15 000 members of JW in Norway. I doubt they are making the same considerations in every class that has a JW child.
    Do you want to spark a discussion of minority imposing their views on the majority and wins? Another angle on the ABB case?
    I have no problems whatsoever with how this was handled, with the exception of the principal succumbing to pressure and telling the public what the issue really was.

    Classroom learning enviroment trumps santa hats. Sure, one could've wanted these people not to view santa hats as satanical, but they do. The school has to deal with that, and they have to deal with it in the way that is most beneficial to learning. No other considerations should be made. If they cared about other things, like other peoples feelings, THAT would be a problem. A school is a place for learning, not santa hat-promotion.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Is this one of these things that changes everything? It almost never happens that muslims actually complain, it's usually what we just LOVE to call pre-emptive dhimmitude. As muslims just might complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Is this one of these things that changes everything? It almost never happens that muslims actually complain, it's usually what we just LOVE to call pre-emptive dhimmitude. As muslims just might complain.
    Please feel free to submit evidence of these frequent complaints. Although I am afraid I won't accept examples from nutty jihadi groups who have more journalists and secret service chasing them than they do actual members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Please feel free to submit evidence of these frequent complaints. Although I am afraid I won't accept examples from nutty jihadi groups who have more journalists and secret service chasing them than they do actual members.
    I said muslims hardly ever actually complain, your mind is playing tricks on you. I have an absolute wealth of examples of pre-emptive dhimmitude or leftist islamphilae though, especially in England

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    It's good to leave in a country where most of the people really don't care about religion and stuff like that. We can make fun and mock or just ignore all the religions and the people here really don't care what some may or may not think about them.
    If something like that would have happened in here that one kid would've been without a hat and not entire class.
    And those racists .. they are just ignorant little people.
    To me this just shows how ridiculous the world have become. In the 21st century there shouldn't be a place for religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The King View Post
    It's good to leave in a country where most of the people really don't care about religion and stuff like that. We can make fun and mock or just ignore all the religions and the people here really don't care what some may or may not think about them.
    If something like that would have happened in here that one kid would've been without a hat and not entire class.
    And those racists .. they are just ignorant little people.
    To me this just shows how ridiculous the world have become. In the 21st century there shouldn't be a place for religions.
    You like to make fun of and mock religious people, you think they have no place in the world, and your happy your country is relatively "pure" in that regard...but you don't like racists? What you said isn't that different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    pre-emptive dhimmitude.
    This.
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