Total war: North and south next title?

[Hamata]

Now that i've played fall of the samurai for a little bit i think the next game should be about the civil war why? you may ask? because we have the following features


-Ironclads
-Gattleng guns
-ship to land bombardment
-kneel fire
-19th centry weaponry

[I_damian]

I hope not. I'd like them to visit pre-gunpowder China with the next game. One of the most remarkable civilizations of all time, they use Sun Tzu's quotes often enough in their loading screens, it's about time they give him some game time!

[easytarget]

Now that i've played fall of the samurai for a little bit i think the next game should be about the civil war why? you may ask? because we have the following features


-Ironclads
-Gattleng guns
-ship to land bombardment
-kneel fire
-19th centry weaponry

Which of course makes the equally compelling argument why it wouldn't be this one next, because we've already seen all of these in action in FOTS.

[Peasant Phill]

Now that i've played fall of the samurai for a little bit i think the next game should be about the civil war why? you may ask? because we have the following features


-Ironclads
-Gattleng guns
-ship to land bombardment
-kneel fire
-19th centry weaponry

I'm also not looking forward to TW: ACW. The scope is just too small and I'm totally not interested in seeing trench warfare introduced.

[Hamata]

Well the game could have similar mechanics to fall of the samurai you choose a state in the us it could be on the side of the confederacy or the union or you could go independent and make something like the california republic

[Noncommunist]

Well the game could have similar mechanics to fall of the samurai you choose a state in the us it could be on the side of the confederacy or the union or you could go independent and make something like the california republic

Or include the British in Canada and perhaps they could deal with Fenians or involve themselves in the Civil war and include the French invading Mexico as well as Mexico itself. And I think there was a threat of Mexico becoming involved in the Civil War.

Another possibility for that period might be South America where there were a number of wars.

[Peasant Phill]

Well the game could have similar mechanics to fall of the samurai you choose a state in the us it could be on the side of the confederacy or the union or you could go independent and make something like the california republic

The difference being that the Japanese factions were warring amongst themselves. I don't see the states (apart from the North-South divide).

[Liberator]

The difference being that the Japanese factions were warring amongst themselves. I don't see the states (apart from the North-South divide).

Agreed.

As we already had the creation of imperial Japan, I would like to see the wars that lead to the creations of 'imperial' Italy and Germany in the 19th century out of several smaller states, with final battles against the french and austrian oppressors

[Nelson]

The ACW has a huge strategic problem to deal with that makes it unsuitable. There are just two factions and the Confederacy had no chance so long as the Union was willing to fight long enough to achieve victory. The Federals manifestly were willing despite the enormous cost.

If Europeans are part of a “what if?” scenario you might have a game though it would be too fantastic IMO.

Nevertheless, the TW franchise has proven that it can accommodate 19^th century tactical gunfire very well in FotS. Whether this play style appeals to enough players is a question. Cavalry charges and melee don’t amount to much compared to massed rifle and artillery firepower. Not to mention that the late 19^th century brought a close to the days when a decisive battle was likely to take place on a single day. Great decisive battles are important for the TW strategy/tactical marriage to work properly and still feel right for the setting of the game.

[Noncommunist]

What about west Africa shortly before colonization? There, you have Islam, Christianity, and Animism all interacting. Similarly to Japan, you have various statelets trying to modernize and assume more power which means they'd be interacting with the various European trade posts in the area. Also, you'd have Liberia as a state which could become independent of the American Colonization Society. And by having it take place in the 1800s, the slave trade is mostly over so one controversial issue wouldn't have to be handled by the game.

Perhaps at the end of the game, Britain, France, and Germany could start their colonization and the player would have to figure out how to survive. Possibly similar to the Mongol/Timurid invasions at the end of the MTW2 except they'd probably have a greater technology edge.

[Peasant Phill]

What about west Africa shortly before colonization? There, you have Islam, Christianity, and Animism all interacting. Similarly to Japan, you have various statelets trying to modernize and assume more power which means they'd be interacting with the various European trade posts in the area. Also, you'd have Liberia as a state which could become independent of the American Colonization Society. And by having it take place in the 1800s, the slave trade is mostly over so one controversial issue wouldn't have to be handled by the game.

Perhaps at the end of the game, Britain, France, and Germany could start their colonization and the player would have to figure out how to survive. Possibly similar to the Mongol/Timurid invasions at the end of the MTW2 except they'd probably have a greater technology edge.

I would certainly want to play that. Though I doubt an African TW is econically interesting enough for CA/SEGA.

[al Roumi]

Yeah the fanbase for TW seems to be overwhelmingly western. I get the sense that even a Japanese setting is too unfamiliar for some people. Plus the marketing likes to put something familiar like a redcoat/knight on the cover. If China has been too much of a strech so far, I suspect we will be waiting a long time for West Africa:TW.

[Slaists]

Russia, the civil war of 1917-23... This was a rather dynamic war with many participating sides [communists, socialists, anarchists, royalists, nationalists (Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Georgians, Balts, Finns, etc.) , foreign powers (UK, France, Japan, even the US), run-away merc forces (leftover German armies, Czhech legion), you name it...]: much more fun than the ACW, if anyone asks me. On top of that, the detested trench warfare did not really happen to any significant extent during this conflict; cavalry was still used and armored trains [think, Trans-Siberian railway] played a significant role too.

Here, for a taste, just one little episode of this war : "...Entente Allies began their Siberian Intervention, with troops from the U.S., France, Great Britain, and Japan landing in Vladivostok, which the Czechoslovaks had controlled for some time. In Vladivostok, however, the Allied rescue of the Czechoslovak Legion got sidetracked. The Japanese forces arrived in April 1918 with 500 marines, followed by 50 British soldiers in May, 500 Americans in June, and 600 more British and some French in late June 1918. They arrived to find a changed situation, with open warfare going on between the Bolsheviks on one side and the Czechoslovak Legions and White Russians on the other. Moreover, World War I hostilities ended in November 1918, making the whole mission to bring the Czechs and Slovaks to France and fight on the Western front pointless. An already confused situation deteriorated, and the Japanese got directly involved in the fighting on the side of the Czechoslovak Legion and of White Russians when their government saw this as a territorial opportunity. By September 1918 there were 70,000 Japanese, 829 British, 1,400 Italian, 5,002 American and 107 Annamese (Vietnamese) troops under French command in and around Vladivostok. The chaos in Siberia included the arrival of eight train cars of gold bullion from the Imperial reserve in Kazan. There were atrocities by both Red Army and White Russian forces – and particularly by the Cossacks of Ataman Semenov, now in the pay of the Japanese." (as per Wikipedia)

I do not think, this war will make it into a TW game though, LOL...

[Noncommunist]

Yeah the fanbase for TW seems to be overwhelmingly western. I get the sense that even a Japanese setting is too unfamiliar for some people. Plus the marketing likes to put something familiar like a redcoat/knight on the cover. If China has been too much of a strech so far, I suspect we will be waiting a long time for West Africa:TW.

On the other hand, there are quite a few people in the US with descent from west Africa. Still unfamiliar but it would introduce a game where those people would see people of their race are leaders of factions rather than merely being troops that can be raised by the Moors or Egyptians.

Also, I guess if the British or French were present, that would involve some familiar elements even if they wouldn't play a major role till near the end.

Sounds interesting, but several things in this scenario are flawed/unclear:
-What timeframe do you think of? 'Shortly before coloniatization' would be around 1500.
-Christianity did not existed in Africa before colonialzation (except in Egypt and Ethiopia)
-it would be rather Spain (probably not really, given its focus on latin america), Portugal and the Nederlands (besides the obvious two, England and France) to be active as colonial powers, Germany did not played a significant role in Africa until the German Empire was created in 1871, same goes for Italy.

Large scale colonization of Africa didn't start till the 1880s. However, there were trading outposts there since the 1400s. Thus, there was some Christianity but not to a large extent till full colonization. Not sure if it was as common as it was in Japan. As for the Germans, they did establish a colony in Togo though they didn't get involved till pretty late and the Portuguese and Dutch were pretty involved when it largely involved trade.

[Liberator]

What about west Africa shortly before colonization? There, you have Islam, Christianity, and Animism all interacting. Similarly to Japan, you have various statelets trying to modernize and assume more power which means they'd be interacting with the various European trade posts in the area. Also, you'd have Liberia as a state which could become independent of the American Colonization Society. And by having it take place in the 1800s, the slave trade is mostly over so one controversial issue wouldn't have to be handled by the game.

Perhaps at the end of the game, Britain, France, and Germany could start their colonization and the player would have to figure out how to survive. Possibly similar to the Mongol/Timurid invasions at the end of the MTW2 except they'd probably have a greater technology edge.

Sounds interesting, but several things in this scenario are flawed/unclear:
-What timeframe do you think of? 'Shortly before coloniatization' would be around 1500.
-Christianity did not existed in Africa before colonialzation (except in Egypt and Ethiopia)
-it would be rather Spain (probably not really, given its focus on latin america), Portugal and the Nederlands (besides the obvious two, England and France) to be active as colonial powers, Germany did not played a significant role in Africa until the German Empire was created in 1871, same goes for Italy.