http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...lai-lama-tibet
I read this editorial and, I have to say, I was a bit shocked by the cheek of it.
I'll leave you to read it yourselves, but I thought the final sentence was particualrly trite and also vicious.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...lai-lama-tibet
I read this editorial and, I have to say, I was a bit shocked by the cheek of it.
I'll leave you to read it yourselves, but I thought the final sentence was particualrly trite and also vicious.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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My impression is "average".
I don't really understand where you found shock and cheek...
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Primarily in the part where they laud him for being a cultural and religious symbol for a culture and religion they then pour scorn upon.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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Well, Buddhist Tibet pretty much was a caste-based theocracy in which the majority of power was held by a religious elite.
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I really, really have no idea what to make of it. Allthough he's well-known internationally he has practically no influence in Tibet itself for the simple reason that China doesn't allow his views to be published there. And if by "nation" he means "a cultural grouping", he's probably right. But the Chinese are pretty succesful so far in watering it down; both by demographic influxes of Han chinese and by repressing their culture and language generally.In the process, he has established that Tibet is no longer merely a country, still less a region of China. It now seems more like a nation. The difference is that a country can be annihilated in a single battle or written out of existence in an afternoon at a conference table. Nations are very much harder to extinguish.
I was more mindful of:
and:Much of what he believes and teaches is absurd to modern ears. But he is still a world figure: a man who stands for nonviolence and the disinterested pursuit of truth in a way that no other religious leader manages to do.
From which I take:Even if his successor is chosen by the Chinese, the 14th Dalai Lama may have left as his legacy a nation that has no need of a 15th. That's real progress in religion, for which he deserves to be honoured in St Paul's Cathedral this afternoon.
"Look, I know he's a wiedo but he's basically a nice guy and after he dies the Tibetan diaspora will probably be all secular - like us!"
I call that more than a little offensive, and infantile.
The article also goes so far as to say that we only think Buddhism is less corrupt because we don't understand it and it's exotic.
If such things were said about any major Western religious leader or politician they would not be published in a mainstream newspaper, not under the cloak of flattery at any rate.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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Wasn't the current Pope's Hitler youth membership in newspapers?
Child molestation rings attributed to Catholic priests and nuns? That the Catholic church has actively covers it up and not assisted authorities until secular authorities had reams of damming proof? Haven't all this been published?
Add to it all the press coverage Islam gets.
Then all the kool aid drinkers, hate preachers, anti-abortionists who murder doctors etc etc
And you think Buddhism is being singled out by pointing out factual information? Or is it the snide my system is better then your system remarks that reek of colonial supremacy that is annoying?
The guy who wrote that also mentions that the Dalai Lama espouses all sorts of odd beliefs. I think his point was that the current Dalai Lama has done so much for the "Free/Autonomous Tibet cause" that any successor will pale in comparison. So from his perspective, the next Dalai Lama will simply be another cleric, albeit the highest one.
What puzzles me is is the writer seems to praise him for his achievements. From what I know the Dalai Lama is a good guy, but basically never managed to achieve anything for his own people. Tibet's sinification proceeds as we speak. In contrast, a person like Nelson Mandela was a good guy and managed to influence things for the better for his own country.
I mean, seriously:
The Dalai Lama himself has managed the very difficult transition of Tibetan exile politics from a theocracy towards something very much like a proper democracy.
i guess the cheek is in this comment:
Even if his successor is chosen by the Chinese, the 14th Dalai Lama may have left as his legacy a nation that has no need of a 15th. That's real progress in religion
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Besides, the institute of the Dalai Lama isn't really Buddhist in origin, it was created more-or-less by Mongol rulers in order to offset the influence of other tribal groups in Tibet. So there.
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I am lost in my own thread.
It's like discovering some twonk has hidden your car keys.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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Kurando resurrected the thread by taking issue with the term "so there" and is taking the piss. No idea what Hax is saying.
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Please refrain from assuming. It's probably the other way around, it's a religion with a lot of philosophical aspects.Buddhism isn't even a religion but a philosophy and a way of life.
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"When the candles are out all women are fair."
-Plutarch, Coniugia Praecepta 46
Actually Buddhist Gods are the same as Hindu Gods. If viewed in today's context, Buddha was what one would call a Hindu, before he received enlightenment/true knowledge and started preaching his ideas and it took shape of a religion.
Buddhism is more like a....offshoot of Hinduism (although that's putting it very...loosely) as far as I've always understood it. Over the years customs and practices changed and got moulded according to region.
Edit:
Another similar religion is Sikhism. They have no deities of their own. Only ten gurus who preached their own ideas.
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Look upthe word "etnocentric", and please reconsider your statement.
Religious concepts are different in the west and in the east. Buddhism(and confusianism, taoism, etc) is of course a religion, but it is different from the abrahamists religions(and the extinc euro religions as well). Not just in preaching, morals and rituals, but the very concepts are different.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
I suggest you look up "ethnocentric" yourself. Buddhism does not conform to the defition of a "religion" and slapping a Latin word on it simply serves to obscure its alienness.
The closest you could come to describing it would be to say it is between a philosophy and a belief system - but that does not make it a "religion". For one thing, it is not about the individual's relationships half so much as about the sense of self and if I recall the Buddha himself was distainful of those who clung to such primitive concepts as "Gods".
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Edit:
Come to think of it, I have no idea what you mean. I can think of at least three possible meanings, and so I can't respond.
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Calling Buddhism a "religion" is innapropriate, because it has almost none of the peculiar charactaristics of a "religion" as it is understood in the West and Near East - insisting on calling it a religion is an attempt to fit it into a mental catagory which is anachronistic.
Calling it a "philosophy" is also wrong - because a philosophy is a way to find truth, and Buddhism is clearly more than that.
Using it to bait me RE: "*your* definition of religion" is pointless.
Buddhism is not a religion - I do not say that to cheapen it as a way of thinking or a belief system, but merely as a recognition that it is unlike anything we generally call a religion.
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Well, okay: Ebisu, Daikokuten, Benzaiten, Hotei, Fukurukoju, Jurojin, Bishamonten, Kichijioten, Shojo, Marishiten, Sanmen Daikoku.Name one buddhist god.
Any other questions?
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Buddhism is as much a religion as Hinduism - not saying they are similar, just emphasizing on the broad meaning of the term "religion".
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