The Castration of Boxing

[Andres]

Did you train on a farm?

Yes, but it didn't field good. After an hour of work, I suffered from so many acres and payins that I called the crops to get me out of there.

[Centurion1]

Yes, but it didn't field good. After an hour of work, I suffered from so many acres and payins that I called the crops to get me out of there.

Did the horticopter have to fly you to the hosiptal?

[a completely inoffensive name]

These puns are amaizeing.

[Vuk]

The padding in MMA gloves is mostly positioned by the knuckles to dissipate the majority of the force.

You punch harder with boxing gloves on. You are lying.

UFC fighters often still break their hands, there's been talk about switching to heavier gloves for years. Boxers still break their hands too, although not as often.

Your head is pretty solid, guys. It can take a hit. The gloves are for the hands.

Were just a few of the posts. Everyone on the thread was either arguing that less padding=less damage or were agreeing with them.

[Strike For The South]

You're not only a liar, you're also an idiot.

Life must be taxing

.,...

[Whacker]

Can we seriously just do some kind of big orgah me(a)tup and have our own fight club? I call dibs on Vuk. Then strike and I get to give Turkish Oil Wrasslin' a go.

[Strike For The South]

I say we just cut to the chase and screw

:)

[Major Robert Dump]

We should start a third thread for that

[ajaxfetish]

The padding in MMA gloves is mostly positioned by the knuckles to dissipate the majority of the force.

You punch harder with boxing gloves on. You are lying.

UFC fighters often still break their hands, there's been talk about switching to heavier gloves for years. Boxers still break their hands too, although not as often.

Your head is pretty solid, guys. It can take a hit. The gloves are for the hands.

Were just a few of the posts. Everyone on the thread was either arguing that less padding=less damage or were agreeing with them.

Let's see.

• StfS says that the padding in UFC gloves is placed to protect the striker's hands rather than to protect the strikee's head, and that strikes with gloves on are harder than with gloves off. No mention of the weight of the gloves having any effect on the force of the punch, just presence vs. absence.
• GC says that UFC fighters (with lighter gloves) break their hands more often than boxers, so heavier gloves provide more hand protection, and mentions talk of the UFC switching to heavier gloves, presumably to provide more protection. No mention of harder hits with more padding.

Can you find any actual instances of people in the thread claiming heavier gloves allow harder hits, or only more instances of people saying heavier gloves provide more protection?

Ajax

[rvg]

Let's just replace boxing with pankration. While we're at it, let's relax the rules a bit (we can call it Extreme Pankration) and allow biting and eye gouging. That should be fun.

[Whacker]

Let's just replace boxing with pankration. While we're at it, let's relax the rules a bit (we can call it Extreme Pankration) and allow biting and eye gouging. That should be fun.

Go rewatch the first few UFCs.

[Vuk]

Let's see.

• StfS says that the padding in UFC gloves is placed to protect the striker's hands rather than to protect the strikee's head, and that strikes with gloves on are harder than with gloves off. No mention of the weight of the gloves having any effect on the force of the punch, just presence vs. absence.
• GC says that UFC fighters (with lighter gloves) break their hands more often than boxers, so heavier gloves provide more hand protection, and mentions talk of the UFC switching to heavier gloves, presumably to provide more protection. No mention of harder hits with more padding.

Can you find any actual instances of people in the thread claiming heavier gloves allow harder hits, or only more instances of people saying heavier gloves provide more protection?

Ajax

SFTS was responding to my post where I said that a punch with a UFC glove had a greater effect on someone than a punch with an 18oz boxing glove. Strike's post was disputing that and calling me a liar. His post was obviously, when context is considered, not saying that a punch with a boxing glove is more powerful than a bare-fisted strike, but is more powerful than one with a UFC glove. (and in his limited mind, more power=more effect)

Also, what as the point of GC's post if not to say that heavier gloves are more effective because even the UFC is thinking of switching to them?
If you re-read my first post, I said that the sport of boxing should start using hand wraps and light protection (such as a layer of leather) instead of heavy gloves, so that boxing becomes more similar to bareknuckle boxing. My prescription was not to use the naked hand, but to use lighter protection to make it more similar to the naked hand. I only prescribed the naked hand for people training boxing for self-defense. The whole discussion about the effectiveness of the naked hand came about because I said that someone from the 1800s who trained with the naked fist would be able to defeat a modern boxer in a real fight.

At least half of the argument of this thread was over the advantages or disadvantages of heavy or lighter gloves, and everyone came down against me in the argument. Maybe you should reread the thread.

Let's just replace boxing with pankration. While we're at it, let's relax the rules a bit (we can call it Extreme Pankration) and allow biting and eye gouging. That should be fun.

Hey, I got nothing against pankration, but it is not boxing. I am talking about the sport of boxing.

[Vuk]

UFC 1 is mandatory viewing for anyone who's interested in Martial Arts. Every fight is a classic, and some of them are downright absurd.

Hey now GC, don't tell me you like bloodsports! :O Funny that when I talked about a version of boxing that would still have many more rules than UFC 1 did, everyone thought it was horrible, yet the love the UFC1 where many more things are allowed.