Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded]

[Riedquat]

Okay, I'm agreeing with Khan here, Alsark is flinching like all hell. Unvote; Vote: Alsark

Wasn't you who started this thing about about Andres?

Vote: NinjaCow64

[White_eyes:D]

Honestly, I don't know why anyone would panic in the day phase...you would need about at least 6+ votes in the lead to kill you outright. I just don't see everyone jumping on-board to reach those numbers.

Vote:Kennigit

[Alsark]

Nah. I don't feel like linking you to a bunch of games because that's work and there's sunday football. Suffice it to say, I was not particularly swayed by your argument of him "lurking" for a whole day phase, which, since you love proof, you did not link any evidence for. Andres does have things besides mafia to attend to, like running the forum, being a father, etcetera. I am not sufficiently bothered with him lurking for one phase.

Or just taking a minute to go, "He has been in this game, this game, and this game," without linking them. But hey - that's cool. Evidently you have 5+ minutes to argue with me, but not 1 minute to tell me what rounds he has been in that you have played with him in. Guess you really don't like the idea of me proving you wrong.

Also... provide proof that he has been lurking? Are we looking at the same game thread? The proof is already all right here, mah man. He posts on Day 1 with a big RP post. I observe Arjos and Autolycus give him items and say one of them is probably scum with him - this is basically just a gut read at this point (also, ironically, Arjos is now voting for me). Not counting pre-game posts (which would be 1/3 of his posts if I did count them), he has made a grandiose total of four posts. Missing a day phase? Hardly, bro - it's Day 3.

Meh. Different circumstances. Pirate Ship I was a highly memorable game, the sequel of which had been highly anticipated for a year. Pretty natural he came out blazing. Furthermore, 1 game is hardly qualifies as an analysis of the "andres" meta. But by all means, go ahead and believe that I'm lying to you.

Believe? Nah - let's show.

In page 4 of Hey, Nobody is Hosting This Large Mafia he, as town, makes more posts on Day 1 than he has in this entire thread so far.

In Netherworld III: Final Judgment he, as town, had made seven posts by Day 3 and didn't make any sort of big roleplaying posts.

This is a quote from Andres himself in Sigurd Mafia:

It was particularly unfortunate that I had to be out of town for four days, right after my public reveal; but I felt I couldn't wait longer before people would call me out on lurking (which wasn't intentional, but caused by RL circumstances), which is uncharacteristic for me.

My friend, even Andres is saying that Andres isn't being Andres.

A lot of rounds were difficult to meta-analyze either because I couldn't find his affiliation (you guys seem to hide the affiliation of people really well here... not updating it in the OP, not revealing it on death, and occasionally not showing it in the end thread, either), or because he wouldn't have gotten his role or was out of town for extended periods of the round. On the plus side, my extensive meta analysis also brought me across this most excellent picture:

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Could somebody name (you don't even have to link) a round where he has been scum in? Every round I saw he was town in - and it would help a lot to get a feel for his scum meta as comparison.

Frankly, if you're always like this after getting voted twice, you should re-think your town strategy, because it's highly scummy. It makes you seem oversensitive to being voted, a blatant mafia tell. Maybe too blatant, but better than anything I have to work with.

And yes. You want a "meta" analysis of me? I have principles. Some of them are rational, some are not. I will vote for people that violate them. Congratulations.

Well, there is typically only one other site I play mafia at - and everyone there knows me anyway, so it's to be expected that I am like this. So... your principle is to vote for people who you disagree with, who vote for people in the "A Team", who act aggressive in their scumhunting, and/or who drop "you're pro" lines, regardless of their affiliation - which you'll refuse to actually take the time to look into because football, yet don't offer to look into things on Monday, either. So in summary, you're sticking to a lynch that doesn't make sense just because you don't like me when, with a little bit of effort and research, you could easily see that this is always how I act as town; then you're using "I have principles" as an excuse to hide behind said lynch. Maybe you, Sir, need to rethink your town strategy, as well. In my realm, we actually try to lynch people we find scummy, not just lynch people we dislike.

[Alsark]

Okay, I'm agreeing with Khan here, Alsark is flinching like all hell. Unvote; Vote: Alsark

Flinching? I'm retorting against things that make no sense. And you never answered my question regarding your giant scum post. Here, let me repost it for you since you evidently didn't feel like replying to it the first time:

A friend suggested that they were scummy. And I trusted that friend's judgement. Since I wasn't really in the mood for making a case, that's who I voted for.

Who is "a friend"? And why is this person not voting for Andres himself? And in your post you say "they" are scummy. Who is they?

Are you trying to look scummy by ignoring my questions regarding your scum post and then voting me just because the cool kids are doing it when there is evidence I have laid out that this is always how I act as town - which you choose to ignore? Because if you are trying to act scummy then you're doing a superb job of it. Because "my friend's judgment" sounds a lot like, "a scum buddy told me to and then didn't want to vote for Andres himself." That's what I'm getting from this - and your decision to ignore my questioning is really not helping you out in that regard.

[LazyMcCrow]

Meh. Vote: Kennigit

[seireikhaan]

Or just taking a minute to go, "He has been in this game, this game, and this game," without linking them. But hey - that's cool. Evidently you have 5+ minutes to argue with me, but not 1 minute to tell me what rounds he has been in that you have played with him in. Guess you really don't like the idea of me proving you wrong.

Also... provide proof that he has been lurking? Are we looking at the same game thread? The proof is already all right here, mah man. He posts on Day 1 with a big RP post. I observe Arjos and Autolycus give him items and say one of them is probably scum with him - this is basically just a gut read at this point (also, ironically, Arjos is now voting for me). Not counting pre-game posts (which would be 1/3 of his posts if I did count them), he has made a grandiose total of four posts. Missing a day phase? Hardly, bro - it's Day 3.

Once again- it's day 3. You hardly waited for the phase to begin to declare him a "lurker" when lurking in itself implies inactivity over several rounds. For the average player in this game, he was fine round 1.

Believe? Nah - let's show.

In page 4 of Hey, Nobody is Hosting This Large Mafia he, as town, makes more posts on Day 1 than he has in this entire thread so far.

In Netherworld III: Final Judgment he, as town, had made seven posts by Day 3 and didn't make any sort of big roleplaying posts.

This is a quote from Andres himself in Sigurd Mafia:

For the record, Andres was entirely anti-town in N3. He was part of a serial killing pair. I should know, I hosted it.

My friend, even Andres is saying that Andres isn't being Andres.

A lot of rounds were difficult to meta-analyze either because I couldn't find his affiliation (you guys seem to hide the affiliation of people really well here... not updating it in the OP, not revealing it on death, and occasionally not showing it in the end thread, either), or because he wouldn't have gotten his role or was out of town for extended periods of the round. On the plus side, my extensive meta analysis also brought me across this most excellent picture:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Could somebody name (you don't even have to link) a round where he has been scum in? Every round I saw he was town in - and it would help a lot to get a feel for his scum meta as comparison.



Well, there is typically only one other site I play mafia at - and everyone there knows me anyway, so it's to be expected that I am like this. So... your principle is to vote for people who you disagree with, who vote for people in the "A Team", who act aggressive in their scumhunting, and/or who drop "you're pro" lines, regardless of their affiliation - which you'll refuse to actually take the time to look into because football, yet don't offer to look into things on Monday, either. So in summary, you're sticking to a lynch that doesn't make sense just because you don't like me when, with a little bit of effort and research, you could easily see that this is always how I act as town; then you're using "I have principles" as an excuse to hide behind said lynch. Maybe you, Sir, need to rethink your town strategy, as well. In my realm, we actually try to lynch people we find scummy, not just lynch people we dislike.

Afaik, the last time that Andres was scum was, in fact N3, that one game you thought he was town. And the principles I want you lynched for are: A) The hyper-sensitive response to 2 votes in a game where lynch isn't even auto-death, and B) The so pro remark.

[Alsark]

That's exactly what I'm talking about - you guys make it impossible to figure out people's affiliations after the fact. All I know is that he wasn't mafia - hence, he wasn't technically speaking "scum". A serial killer needs to act differently than a generic scum team, as they both need to avoid getting night hit and avoid getting lynched. A generic scum team does not need to worry about getting night hit.

Well I already showed that that is always how I respond to getting votes on me (which you'd rather ignore, so whatever); so basically your lynch on me is now just for the "so pro" comment. So effectively it's now a random lynch. That's cool, but we shouldn't be random lynching on Day 3.

Once again- it's day 3. You hardly waited for the phase to begin to declare him a "lurker" when lurking in itself implies inactivity over several rounds. For the average player in this game, he was fine round 1.

One of the main things comes from the very stark contrast in his interest in the round and then suddenly switching to lurk mode (where I come from you're pretty well expected to post every phase, which, granted, I haven't done a good job of this round myself). That in combination with Autolycus buddying with him struck me as them likely being scum together.


Anyways, thinking of switching to Ninjacow anyway due to that giant scum post if he doesn't explain himself - and if Ninjacow is scum then Andres probably isn't scum.

[Ferret]

I agree with TC, Alsark's posts are certainly interesting to read.

unvote, vote:NinjaCow64

If Andres was scummy according to your 'friend', how come your 'friend' didn't vote for him?

[Ignoramus]

I don't necessarily think Andres is scum - he could be one of the initial players of the colleges though. What is interesting to note is that Montmorency and Ironside both voted for the Shield of purity to go to Ironside in the initial phase. Given that we now know that Monty was the wielder of a the Aeromancers, it strongly suggests that Ironside is their master. Perhaps ninja was following a similar analysis with Andres, I don't know. His posts certainly seem strange though.

We don't know how many scum players the game started with, but it's unlikely they would have known each other. The most likely hypothesis at this stage is that one of them hopped on the khaan Shield of Purity bandwagon to avoid suspicion.

My suspicion currently falls upon Riedquat - he's been keeping pretty low. So a pressure vote: Vote: Riedquat.

[autolycus]

None of the current candidates are feeling right to me, so I will join the pressure on Vote:Riedquat

[El Barto]

How nice to see that the people here use my lovely cat pic.

Oh hush, you. I'm allowed to be a good townie. Occasionally.

No you're not.

You know, it's entirely possible that I would've changed my vote at some point(likely to NinjaCow), but now I've got no choice but to continue voting you for your hostile, bitter, "I'm caught and frustrated" demeanor. Way to totally overreact at getting two votes. But especially for you breaking out the "you're pro" line. I've played enough LoL that I want to hear that phrase tossed into an incinerator.

No, you're scum for the weirdly certain and aggressive tone you had when you previously admitted to not knowing what was going on.

And don't give me any whining when about being voted for trying when that's literally the accusation you lodge against Andres. (chronology being the only slight difference). Your only other 'accusation' is that he voted potions to somebody.

You and Alsark, both are scummy, too chatty. Why?

Meh. Vote: Kennigit

None of the current candidates are feeling right to me, so I will join the pressure on Vote:Riedquat

Convenient votes, eh?

[Ignoramus]

How nice to see that the people here use my lovely cat pic.
No you're not.

You and Alsark, both are scummy, too chatty. Why?


Convenient votes, eh?

Your post is entirely meaningless and irrelevant too for that matter.

[NinjaCow64]

Flinching? I'm retorting against things that make no sense.

Retorting against 2-3 poorly thought out votes should take a few lines at most. Not multiple posts full of text walls. That, my friend, is called flinching.

And you never answered my question regarding your giant scum post. Here, let me repost it for you since you evidently didn't feel like replying to it the first time

Sorry about that. My friend is an inactive player who I know to be town. And he thought you were scummy. And "they" are you, as in a way of saying "it" without all the negative connoations that implies. :)

If Andres was scummy according to your 'friend', how come your 'friend' didn't vote for him?

He's completely disappeared, that's why.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How many times out of ten is that the sound of scum-Pizza taunting us?

In terms of this game, zero, but I don't mind being lynched on such logic. At least that smacks of trying to read me, albeit failing.

This is the part where I would say something more productive if I were either mafia or a townie with a shred of a clue. I'm not sure my reads are good in a game this complex and I'm quite distracted elsewhere.

I don't want to press Andres just yet.

Unvote, vote abstain

My vote is again up for grabs. Someone direct me.

[Visor]

Vote: Ignoramus

[LazyMcCrow]

Incidentally - As it seems from the write up that you guys are all factioned up; I'm feeling a little left out - if anyone wants to recruit a keen, if critically wounded, student to their faction, I'll be waiting patiently for your invites

[Andres]

My reason stems from Day 1. He makes a post that is WAY too "into the game", which I often believe to be mafia-like... and then he just like, totally disappears for a very long time - lurking is also mafia-like. That's double mafia likeness. Then you have Autolycus constantly giving Andres items, like the shield and water potion, when there is really very, very little reason to be doing so.

Hence, Autolycus+Andres scum team.

Allthough I find it weird that a young woman like autolycus would fall for my charms, given my age, it is perfectly understandable. After all, I'm still a handsome man and my red eyes are irresistable.

Reminds me of that dragon. AsktheTinCow she was called, which, when you come to think of it, was an odd name for a dragon. Anyway, she was smoking hot. Hahaha. Did you get it? Dragon? Smoking hot? Hahaha. Anyway, AsktheTin...

"Not again. Oh please! Not again!," a tormented sounding voice yelled and suddenly, a gigantic monkey appeared right next to Andres. "Can somebody please shut this old fool up already? For centuries, I have been listening to his ramblings. This dragon story, it's ooooooo...ld. I've heard it at least 2 million times!"


I'm not that old!

Vote : Alsark

A very scummy self preservation vote. Now, you'll have to excuse me all why I renew my "control gigantic monkey" spells. You really don't want him to break free. You really don't. Last time it happened.

"SHUT UP, CRAZY FOOL!"

I'll leave you youngsters to finding the scum. I'm too busy in that corner over there trying to get the most dangerous threat in the world under my spell again. Now, hush hush, leave me be.

[johnhughthom]

Incidentally - As it seems from the write up that you guys are all factioned up; I'm feeling a little left out - if anyone wants to recruit a keen, if critically wounded, student to their faction, I'll be waiting patiently for your invites

Meh, I got invited and my college head appears to have gone the way of headmaster Jarema. Why do they keep giving these jobs to dozy old duffers.

Vote: Visorslash

[BSmith]

Sorry about that. My friend is an inactive player who I know to be town. And he thought you were scummy. And "they" are you, as in a way of saying "it" without all the negative connoations that implies. :)

So your “friend” has time to talk to you about who is scummy and who isn’t yet can’t find the time to come here and post a simple vote? And how do you know he is town? There is a lot that is still not adding up here. vote: NinjaCow64

[TinCow]

Unvote; Vote: NinjaCow64

[Kennigit]

My reason stems from Day 1. He makes a post that is WAY too "into the game", which I often believe to be mafia-like... and then he just like, totally disappears for a very long time - lurking is also mafia-like. That's double mafia likeness. Then you have Autolycus constantly giving Andres items, like the shield and water potion, when there is really very, very little reason to be doing so.

Hence, Autolycus+Andres scum team.

So your “friend” has time to talk to you about who is scummy and who isn’t yet can’t find the time to come here and post a simple vote? And how do you know he is town? There is a lot that is still not adding up here. vote: NinjaCow64

I'm quite unsure why people are ignoring the possibilities of college recruitment, as that may be the case for autolycus/andres and I'd definitely think ninjacow just wants to follow the actions of his head master.

however, that's awfully scummy on ninjacow; just wants to go with the flow (but I bet you ain't water!). Recruitments aren't always innocent. Vote: Ninjacow

[LazyMcCrow]

unvote: kennigit vote: ninjacow

[Ironside]

Vote: NinjaCow64

[Jarema]

Third Void Day was different than previous ones. At the evening, a lot of members joined their votes against NinjaCow. When the time came, they pummeled him wit joined elemental might. And it was too much for this old, tired caster. Mistress Frashene, head of the College of Flames, died as elements constituing her body dispersed, and only faint streak of smoke marked place where she had fallen.
NinjaCow was lynched!

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(S)he was innocent. He was Mistres Frashene, the Pyromancer, head of the College of Flames

Among items of NinjaCow Everburning Torch was found. As it is sacred artifact of the College of Flames, it was given to the college wielders.

Tally:

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NinjaCow (8): Edse, Riedquat, Elite Ferret, BSmith, TinCow, Kennigit. LazyMcCrow, Ironside
Alsark (4): Issaikhaan, Arjos, NinjaCow, Andres
Issaikhaan (2): Chaotix, Memnon
Riedquat (2): Ignoramus, Autolycus
Andres: Alsark
Kennigit: White Eyes
Ignoramus: Visorslash
Visorslash: Johnhughtom
abstain: ATPG
Not voting: Captain Blackadder, El Barto, Robbiecon, Xenoneb

Week 3 begins!

OOC: I will sent upgrade on your HP, XP and other parameters during night. This would describe your stats at the end of day 3.

Living Players:

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1. Captain Blackadder
2. Riedquat
3. Autolycus
4. LazyMcCrow
5. Chaotix
6.
7. Askthepizzaguy
8. Memnon
9. Arjos
10. Edse
11. BSmith
12.
13. Alsark
14. Ironside
15. Visorslash
16. Issaikhaan
17. Andres
18. Tincow
19. Kennigit
20. White eyes:D
21. Xenoneb
22. Robbiecon
23. Ignoramus
24. Johnhughtom
25. El Barto
26. Elite Ferret

Dead Players

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Montmorency (aeromancers)
NinjaCow (pyromancers)

[Montmorency]

Ouch. I'm going to have to pull a Pizza and proclaim my despair for the Town now...

[Alsark]

Retorting against 2-3 poorly thought out votes should take a few lines at most. Not multiple posts full of text walls. That, my friend, is called flinching.

I love how you refuse to look even one minute into my meta. I am known for massive walls of text. How is that considered flinching? Explain that to me.

Sorry about that. My friend is an inactive player who I know to be town. And he thought you were scummy. And "they" are you, as in a way of saying "it" without all the negative connoations that implies. :)

Wait, wait, wait... so "they" is me, as in Alsark... so you vote for the person I am voting for (Andres) because your most likely either non-existent or scum buddy friend told you that *I* am scummy? So you vote WITH the person that you and your "friend" thinks is scum? ... Am I understanding what you are saying right now?

He's completely disappeared, that's why.

He completely disappeared, yet your friend is keeping up well enough to know who is scummy and not only think that - but then advise you into voting how they think without voting themselves?

Yeah, okay.

Unvote Andres

Vote Ninjacow

Vote : Alsark

A very scummy self preservation vote

I love how your vote isn't at all a "self-preservation vote", considering there were only two votes on you and like... five or some votes on me. It was entirely, 100% an OMGUS vote.

[Alsark]

Oh. Guess my late vote didn't matter. But wow, Ninjacow... way to act totally scummy as a head of a college. You'd have been better off just saying you were in the College of Flames rather than pointing to this "mysterious friend", which sounds ginormously scummy.

[El Barto]

Your post is entirely meaningless and irrelevant too for that matter.

Only an Ignoramus could say such a thing.

Ouch. I'm going to have to pull a Pizza and proclaim my despair for the Town now...

This early?

[NinjaCow64]

Oh. Guess my late vote didn't matter. But wow, Ninjacow... way to act totally scummy as a head of a college. You'd have been better off just saying you were in the College of Flames rather than pointing to this "mysterious friend", which sounds ginormously scummy.

If I said that I would have been killed by the water people in two shakes of a lambs tail.

And I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.

[seireikhaan]

If I said that I would have been killed by the water people in two shakes of a lambs tail.

And I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.

Aww, I'm sure Andres would've been nice about it.