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    Default There has been too much foul language here of late.

    I have to say, I'm very disappointed that certain distinguished members have sunk of outright profanity over the last few weeks, now new members are picking up the habit.

    It's lazy and it lowers both the tone and the content of our debates - I think it should stop, or the mods should put a stop to it. We don't need to swear here to have grown up discussion, quite the opposite.
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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    I'm European, we have different attitudes toward language.


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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    I've heard this argument before, and I don't get it. I don't consider any language to be ugly. It's not what is said, it is what is meant. If swearing is used with malicious intent, then there is reason to be offended (although this is subject to debate). In the end, language is just expression. Some people enjoy using certain words. I, for one, do.

    What is offensive to one may not be offensive to others. People should just deal with it.


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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    Quote Originally Posted by spankythehippo View Post
    I've heard this argument before, and I don't get it. I don't consider any language to be ugly. It's not what is said, it is what is meant. If swearing is used with malicious intent, then there is reason to be offended (although this is subject to debate). In the end, language is just expression. Some people enjoy using certain words. I, for one, do.

    What is offensive to one may not be offensive to others. People should just deal with it.
    I'm willing to bet I can outswear anyone here, including MRD when he's completely drunk.

    The point is - swearing is intellectually lazy - in a debate you swear for emotive effect or to convey a sense of a point of view, an exclamation, or as a way of dismissing your opponent.

    None of that actually contributes to the debate - and some of it is actually against Backroom Etiquette.

    It has nothing to do withbeing offended by the words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I'm willing to bet I can outswear anyone here, including MRD when he's completely drunk.

    The point is - swearing is intellectually lazy - in a debate you swear for emotive effect or to convey a sense of a point of view, an exclamation, or as a way of dismissing your opponent.

    None of that actually contributes to the debate - and some of it is actually against Backroom Etiquette.

    It has nothing to do withbeing offended by the words.
    If a person chooses to be intellectually lazy with their words, why should it matter to others? Just filter out the gist of the argument and move on. No need to dwell on individual words.

    Swearing, as Rhyfhylwyr says, is a means of letting of steam. Or to further a point, often with the backing of opinion. You won't see a scientific article saying, "Natural killer cells are similar in many respects to motherfuckin' cytotoxic T cells." It just doesn't work.

    Use swear words. Just don't abuse them. Then they become bland and cliche.


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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    Quote Originally Posted by spankythehippo View Post
    If a person chooses to be intellectually lazy with their words, why should it matter to others? Just filter out the gist of the argument and move on. No need to dwell on individual words.

    Swearing, as Rhyfhylwyr says, is a means of letting of steam. Or to further a point, often with the backing of opinion. You won't see a scientific article saying, "Natural killer cells are similar in many respects to motherfuckin' cytotoxic T cells." It just doesn't work.

    Use swear words. Just don't abuse them. Then they become bland and cliche.
    They have no value in a debate forum online. Need to let off steam? Go kick a door, then post.
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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    Quote Originally Posted by spankythehippo View Post
    If a person chooses to be intellectually lazy with their words, why should it matter to others? Just filter out the gist of the argument and move on. No need to dwell on individual words.

    Swearing, as Rhyfhylwyr says, is a means of letting of steam. Or to further a point, often with the backing of opinion. You won't see a scientific article saying, "Natural killer cells are similar in many respects to motherfuckin' cytotoxic T cells." It just doesn't work.

    Use swear words. Just don't abuse them. Then they become bland and cliche.
    This thread is not about me as I have not been posting. Also, I do not swear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spankythehippo View Post
    If a person chooses to be intellectually lazy with their words, why should it matter to others? Just filter out the gist of the argument and move on. No need to dwell on individual words.

    Swearing, as Rhyfhylwyr says, is a means of letting of steam. Or to further a point, often with the backing of opinion. You won't see a scientific article saying, "Natural killer cells are similar in many respects to motherfuckin' cytotoxic T cells." It just doesn't work.

    Use swear words. Just don't abuse them. Then they become bland and cliche.
    use of profanity is not all so bad. as stated by hippo here, it's real easy to simply ignore it and move on. personally if a poster has so little creativity and imagination that they so limit their vocabulary, i can know to filter that post(er) out and move on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    - swearing is intellectually lazy -
    I think that says it all. We have a complex language and a (reportedly) complex brain, it ought to be possible to merge these two wonders and express ourselves clearly and creatively.

    That said, I can go for days existing in a space where every second word is pure filth...it's just one of those things :)
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    I'm just an angry kid, but that is no excuse. I promise to reserve all swearing for Vuk threads.


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    There aren't any women here, right? So who cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    There aren't any women here, right? So who cares.
    Already pulling out the ole sausage fest card are we? Might as well make a thread about how we all deal with morning wood.

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    I'm just an angry kid, but that is no excuse. I promise to reserve all swearing for Vuk threads.
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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    I've noticed this as well, I find it unpleasant. I don't have any airs or graces but I only swear once in a blue moon, and when I do I feel bad.

    I've heard people try to defend swearing and its value, but I disagree. Below is Stephen Fry's take (warning, lots of swearing):

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    I think the sole purpose of swearing is to let off steam. Beyond that I don't think it will help express anything effectively. The crude and harsh-sounding nature of the words make them inappropriate for intellectual or even normal discussion, while they are too widely used to have the shock value comedians often try to use them for.

    Honestly, if I have to see another awful BBC comedy where the comedy value is supposed to come from posh English people swearing, I don't even...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I have to say, I'm very disappointed that certain distinguished members have sunk of outright profanity over the last few weeks, now new members are picking up the habit.

    It's lazy and it lowers both the tone and the content of our debates - I think it should stop, or the mods should put a stop to it. We don't need to swear here to have grown up discussion, quite the opposite.
    Really? We've got a guy spending pages on pages copy pasting content to try to win arguments that are techically impossible and you are complaining about something that is fairly rare and allways edited out by the mods? We cant even say hell without a warning because it's too close to some norse word with worse implications.
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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    Swearing to underline a point is perfectly valid. Swearing is also considered fine in informal discussion amongst friends, and what we have here could hardly be termed formal discussion.

    If you hate swearing, you hate friendship.
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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    What makes a swearword a swearword in the first place?
    Profanity or Blasphemy - it's really quite an interesting topic.

    Of the issues I have is that people have been swearing without understanding how to swear, which is just childish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Really? We've got a guy spending pages on pages copy pasting content to try to win arguments that are techically impossible and you are complaining about something that is fairly rare and allways edited out by the mods? We cant even say hell without a warning because it's too close to some norse word with worse implications.
    It hasn't been edited out recently, hence this topic, or it hasn't been edited out anywhewre near quick enough. If Strike used a mid level swear word six-12 hours ago it should be gone by the time I read his post.

    TR is someone I can ignore, because he requires neither my time nor respect, and he's boring, so I don't care that he's here mouthing off.

    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Swearing to underline a point is perfectly valid. Swearing is also considered fine in informal discussion amongst friends, and what we have here could hardly be termed formal discussion.

    If you hate swearing, you hate friendship.
    You have got to be joking.

    I only swear when I'm angry - there's no reason for me to swear infront of friends, or in debate. If I am in a debate and I'm angry enough to want to swear I try not to post.
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    Default Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.

    When a Filipina mixes her Ps with her Fs
    And tells me to "Puck off for what I said on Pacebook about her Pamily"
    Does that count as swearing.
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    There is no v in Arabic. It's a bile language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Really? We've got a guy spending pages on pages copy pasting content to try to win arguments that are techically impossible and you are complaining about something that is fairly rare and allways edited out by the mods? We cant even say hell without a warning because it's too close to some norse word with worse implications.
    "Hell" means "luck" in norse-speak....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    "Hell" means "luck" in norse-speak....
    It does? Maybe it was Turkish, all I know is that a mod got his knickers in a twist over it when I was still a newbie 2-3 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I have to say, I'm very disappointed that certain distinguished members have sunk of outright profanity over the last few weeks, now new members are picking up the habit.

    It's lazy and it lowers both the tone and the content of our debates - I think it should stop, or the mods should put a stop to it. We don't need to swear here to have grown up discussion, quite the opposite.
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