Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
....living in Rome, perhaps...?
....And yet they offer no guidance on the question of slavery? They are no guarantee against one person owning another, to do with as he pleases? If so, it's practically useless, isn't it?
Also, you have noted that they have changed over the years, right?
Last edited by HoreTore; 08-21-2014 at 19:01.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Biblical laws on slavery predate the Roman Republic.
So what? They deal with personal conduct, not with social institutions. If you're looking for a more exhaustive and comprehensive how-to guide to living, the Koran might be more suitable.....And yet they offer no guidance on the question of slavery? They are no guarantee against one person owning another, to do with as he pleases?
Wut?Also, you have noted that they have changed over the years, right?
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Let's not forgot that sending girls out to be gang raped is also part of the whole Christian morale perspective.
Disgusting, if you ask me.
So Jesus didn't change anything? He couldn't introduce something new...?
Taking ownership of another is no less an issue of personal conduct than taking the life of another. It's a basic limitation on our relationship with our neighbor.
You are on very shaky ground now, I must say.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image <-try finding this commandment in a lutheran church.
Last edited by HoreTore; 08-21-2014 at 19:19.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Jesus pointed out what people were doing wrong because of misinterpretation and/or skewed perspective.He himself said that his mission was to re-affirm God's law.
If you stole your neighbor's freedom, well, that's theft. Thou shalt not steal.Taking ownership of another is no less an issue of personal conduct than taking the life of another. It's a basic limitation on our relationship with our neighbor.
The Ten Commandments are beyond the jurisdiction of a drunken German priest.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image <-try finding this commandment in a lutheran church.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Well, as you say, Aristotle is more concerned about being good than with pondering its philosophical/metaphysical foundations. As for Kant, from what I understand, he seems to take the position that absolute morality is somehow self-evident because of its general pervasiveness across time and place. So I don't think either of those two are really getting to the heart of what we are discussing here.
I would agree that Mill does attempt to make the sort of argument I was looking for, in that he appeals to human pleasure/happiness as some sort of ultimate standard by which the morality of actions may be judged. However, happiness is a bit less concrete and a bit more abstract than a personal, all-powerful God, and from that perspective, his concept of absolute morality is not as robust as a theistic one.
Also, I would say that, despite being irrelevant to the truth of the matter, it is worth noting that it would be extremely difficult to develop a practical framework of ethics from Mill's viewpoint. Unlike a theistic (or indeed Kantian) viewpoint, where an action has an objective moral value in and of itself; from Mill's viewpoint, the action only takes on a moral character insofar as it relates to the happiness of an individual, which will be determined according to their subjective interpretation, rather than any inherent value in the action itself.
I think there is more to it than the theists just caring more. I think that atheists that attempt to hold to absolute morals must realise that on some level that they hold some rather contradictory views - in those circumstances, they are going to be half-hearted. Also, although this is off-topic, I do not agree that the only difference between religions is superficial rituals. Prior to around 33AD I would have agreed - religions were all 'religions of works' as people from all faiths across the world (not just ancient Judaism) tried to fulfil that law that they know by nature. But since Jesus died for our sins we now have a 'religion of grace' which is drastically different from the 'religions of works' that so many people still hopelessly slave under. Christianity is the one that stands out.
Love your neighbour as yourself... do unto others as you would have them do unto you...
How can the brutality of the slave trade be compatible with such commandments?
Last edited by Rhyfelwyr; 08-21-2014 at 21:48. Reason: missed a bit
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Please explain the part about slaves obeying their masters.
Next, if this passage is misinterpreted: given that this passage was used as justification of slave-owners, please elaborate on the usefulness of the bible when it allows itself to be used to justify slavery for centuries.
Last edited by HoreTore; 08-21-2014 at 20:01.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
No?
My version of the "holy texts" rather much imply that the moral there - says girls can be sent out to be gang raped.
You have read about Lot, haven't you?
Same guy and same moral also totally approve of incest, pretty much in rape form.
Gang rape: Genesis 19:1–11
Incest: Genesis 19:30–38
Rather creepy stuff, if you ask me. And most definitely against human and humane moral values.
I have seen the incest part defended, havent quite got any defense on the gang rape thingy. However you bend it, women are seen as lesser beings.
Last edited by Kadagar_AV; 08-21-2014 at 20:08.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Wrong. Chattel slavery is the oldest form of slavery. And was in fact practiced by the Israelite's, as it was by most ancient civilizations in some form. Israelite's just had a quirk in their law that an Israelite could not permanently keep another Israelite as a slave (the 7 years bit only applies under that circumstance). However a non-Israelite was fair game for permanent chattel enslavement. And if an Israelite man kept a non-Israelite woman as a slave, any children produced were considered non-Israelite. And subject to permanent bondage. Bondage that was able to be passed to the masters heirs when he died.
All of this was taken from bible versus BTW. So the bible does condone slavery.
Last edited by lars573; 08-21-2014 at 20:42.
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