In fact, people have become healthier. It's one of the reasons they're living longer. Long enough to incur complementary chronic health issues. But that hardly means the enterprise of modern healthcare has failed - quite the opposite, in fact.Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Some drugs and treatments are more important than others. For instance, if corporations are unwilling to develop new antibiotics due to the expense, then they should step aside and abdicate all responsibility for development of antibiotics in particular to states. They can continue on with their lesser product lines as previously.
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But they haven't. Nothing stopping them. Companies do create these things. If govenments / universities can do it better - then they are completely able to do so.
People live longer and don't die wich chronic diseases. I never said that this is a failing of modern healthcare - but the fact is it costs a lot more and money is not infinite. There is unlikely to be a point where the costs are lower as almost everything that is found is to alleviate things to do with chronic disease - not cure.
Ok, several points to clarify here:
1) Companies have developed many antibiotics - but they don't get licenses since the standard is they have to work better than existing ones rather than providing an alternative. There are many, many antibiotics such as this. The failing is therefore that of the FDA / EMA not companies. This goes for both classes of antibiotics as well as new antibiotics in classes.
2) Countries are more than able to develop them as well - but they haven't
3) Lesser priorities... oh, such as dementia, diabetes, asthma cancer and so on...
4) No company has the responsibility to create any particular product since they receive no grants to do so.
In short - you want more antibiotics then alter the process to enable entibiotics to be lisenced with warnings in sections 4.3, 4.4 and 4.5 as appropriate. Many would rarely be used unless new resistances appear. But sadly State regulatory bodies don't appear to have this foresight.
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Indeed, and that's what I want them to do. No need to stop the existing pharmaceutical companies though, if they can survive with government competition it's fine by me. But pour some tax dollars into development of everything deemed "basic necessities" and finance it in a way most beneficial to society(whether that's free or not).
If pharmaceutical companies can survive the competition with government companies giving their drugs away for free - great!
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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The whole vaccine market would rather point to there being no conspiracy; and recently there has been several new cures for Hep C released - cures are much harder and have taken longer.
Yes, there are bacteria resistant to most currently used antibiotics - which is why having different ones even with a poorer safety profile would be a good thing for those cases where resistance is present to usual ones - I'd not want Vancomycin if Methicillin works but I'll have it if resistance is present as I'd rather damaged kidneys than be dead (televancin was available and is better but is no longer in the UK as it is unprofitable).
Although resistance can be to classes of antibiotics, the wider the antibioitic classes used the less likely bacteria will be resistant to all of them.
Bacteria that have resistance are generally less virulent since they have multiple DNA plasmids to encode for all the protiens required. This slows down the rate of division, and so generally require a weakened immune system to do well.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Didn't you guys hear? We are all dead from Ebola in 18 months anyway.
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You're not poor when you can blow 10.000 to help an oil company executive transfer a bribe to an offshore account, either.
You can't be poor and fall for these scams since they require that you have money. You may end up poor though, but I have no problem with that. The Nigerian is also quite poor, so he'll find a use for the money.
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Quite a few people are already poor but loan the money from somewhere or someone.
And going by your argument, the poor are to blame for being poor in general if you just spin it far enough.
After all, they're just not clever enough to get all that money the rich have through whatever means necessary.
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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