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    But the Bohemians, at least the duchies, were they considered a part of the HRE or were they just a sort of vassal that was attached to the empire rather than ruled by the empire?

    From the 14th century onwards, when the Luxembourg dynasty became Kings of Bohemia, yes, they were part. But what about before? Bohemia/Moravia projected some independent local power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    But the Bohemians, at least the duchies, were they considered a part of the HRE or were they just a sort of vassal that was attached to the empire rather than ruled by the empire?

    From the 14th century onwards, when the Luxembourg dynasty became Kings of Bohemia, yes, they were part. But what about before? Bohemia/Moravia projected some independent local power.
    Bohemia is a tricky one. Originally independent but friendly, it became a kingdom in 1085 (hereditary since 1198) and had vassals of it's own (so yes to local power). The title of king was bestowed by the emperor, therefore it's safe to assume that they were considered an imperial prince by then. I'm not sure since when they held elector status, probably since then also.

    Culturally important is the fact that since the 12th ct, Bohemia was the destination of numerous waves of german settlers (who also settled in slavic territories north of the Elbe) which led to a significant germanization of bohemian society, especially amongst the nobility. This was amplified by the Luxemburg rule (since 1300) which led to an increased drive for assimilation and emulation of everything german. That in turn facilitated the incorporation of Bohemia into Habsburg rule in the 16th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    But the Bohemians, at least the duchies, were they considered a part of the HRE or were they just a sort of vassal that was attached to the empire rather than ruled by the empire?

    From the 14th century onwards, when the Luxembourg dynasty became Kings of Bohemia, yes, they were part. But what about before? Bohemia/Moravia projected some independent local power.
    The Kingdom of Bohemia was a state of the HRE. The King of Bohemia was one of the "Electors" of the Emperor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I of the Storm View Post
    Bohemia is a tricky one. Originally independent but friendly, it became a kingdom in 1085 (hereditary since 1198) and had vassals of it's own (so yes to local power). The title of king was bestowed by the emperor, therefore it's safe to assume that they were considered an imperial prince by then. I'm not sure since when they held elector status, probably since then also.

    Culturally important is the fact that since the 12th ct, Bohemia was the destination of numerous waves of german settlers (who also settled in slavic territories north of the Elbe) which led to a significant germanization of bohemian society, especially amongst the nobility. This was amplified by the Luxemburg rule (since 1300) which led to an increased drive for assimilation and emulation of everything german. That in turn facilitated the incorporation of Bohemia into Habsburg rule in the 16th century.
    Ah, there we go. That explains it why Bohemia was considered to have such an impact on HRE politics despite it not being within the traditional stem-duchy lands. Kudos for the good info.

    The Kingdom of Bohemia was a state of the HRE. The King of Bohemia was one of the "Electors" of the Emperor.
    Indeed. But it was interesting to know how and why they became an "elector" state, when they were on the outskirts of the Empire.
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