Fallout 4!

[Greyblades]

Eh... If we were to look into realism here Washington dc should have been literally flattened.

[Montmorency]

Difficult that, when the game world is in 1:200 scale to what it models. For instance, destroying Megaton with the nuke might as well have ended the game right there.

[easytarget]

Would call it oppressive rather than tedious. Makes sense that the DC-area was hit the hardest and is really bleak when compared to Las Vegas or Boston.

You call it what you like, so will I, and to me it is beyond tedious (to the point of being oppressive) to make any game based on a brown colored dystopia, or any dystopia no matter the color, it's played out. Throw in a few zombies and we can officially say we phoned it in. And it doesn't help that all Bethesda games look and play to me the same with only the wrapper changing.

So yeah, if we're gonna head down this trail once again I'm happy this at least appears to be taking place somewhere not flattened and with more colors.

[Fragony]

You are absolutily wrong and a black hole couldn't suck as hard as you do right now

(hey it's a Fallout thread let's honour the notoriously uncivilized Fallout forums)

[a completely inoffensive name]

You are absolutily wrong and a black hole couldn't suck as hard as you do right now

(hey it's a Fallout thread let's honour the notoriously uncivilized Fallout forums)

where are these fallout forums?

[Fragony]

There are a lot. The Fallout online community is kinda notorious for being pricks.

NEVER say that Fallout Tactics was actually good, war never changes

[Fragony]

It's that time I guess, it won't be comming to the ps3 and xbox360. Boy did these beauty's keep convincing for a long time

[I of the Storm]

Well, the forums at bethsoft are in fact pretty entertaining currently. That is, if reading some weird trailer-exegesis has entertainment value for you ("Notice that paint bucket? Paintable equipment confirmed!").

[easytarget]

Another chunk of info about this one: http://kotaku.com/bethesda-closed-th...day-1711315740

[Greyblades]

Do me a favour and find someone else to link to than kotaku.

[I of the Storm]

What's wrong with kotaku (honest question, I'm an internet neanderthal...)?

Anyway, if you want all the scraps of information on F4 plus a ton of speculation and a truckload of flaming, bethsoft forums is the place to go.

[easytarget]

Do me a favour and find someone else to link to than kotaku.

Do yourself a favor and delete it then. Not like I care.

[Greyblades]

...what you think I'm a mod or something? The doesn't make sense.

[AntiDamascus]

You guys are awesome.

[Beskar]

Fallout 4 pre-order is apparently £20ish on Kinguin.
http://www.kinguin.net/category/1713...-steam-cd-key/

[easytarget]

...what you think I'm a mod or something? The doesn't make sense.

My bad, your remark gave me the impression you were somehow involved in content review.

[Greyblades]

Nah, my phone's adblock is finicky and I retch at the idea that I could be contributing to Ben Kuchera's paycheck.

[Veho Nex]

Nah, my phone's adblock is finicky and I retch at the idea that I could be contributing to Ben Kuchera's paycheck.

You're seriously that upset at someone posting a Kotaku link?

[Greyblades]

Considering I was never upset to begin with, no.

[easytarget]

Anyone seen anything new that pushes them closer or further away on this one?

[I of the Storm]

So far, not really, no. Although I'm a bit sceptic about the whole settlement building thing. Looks like an inflated Hearthfire (Skyrim) component to me, without much impact on the game apart from giving you something to immerse yourself for a while.

[Montmorency]

We could talk about this or that capability or feature in the engine (and so gameplay), but at the core it's the Fallout universe and trademark we're concerned with.

That being the case, I honestly have to wonder whether Fallout is just a tired franchise. Options, modding, features, realism, international setting, bla bla bla - it's all beside the point.

Fallout as originally conceived and implemented is simply not translatable into a prolonged series. It was a fine idea for a one-off, but there's nothing really left to it...

It's similar with the Elder Scrolls universe, even if that always had more scope and leeway as a generic fantasy setting. There's just nothing more that can be done with the base.

Ultimately, the only justification for continued Elder Scrolls or Fallout titles from the consumer perspective is that, having some history, they are preferable to "original" content that would just be along the same lines anyway.

[easytarget]

Funny, that's pretty much what I said in a jump the shark thread about CA and Total War. But it also applies to Bethesda who basically make the same game over and over just changing the setting. Much of game development to me feels a lot like the movie industry.

[Veho Nex]

Funny, that's pretty much what I said in a jump the shark thread about CA and Total War. But it also applies to Bethesda who basically make the same game over and over just changing the setting. Much of game development to me feels a lot like the movie industry.

Its not financially viable to come up with something new. Why do you think every new movie idea is independent first then they might remake it as a triple A.

No companies wanna risk money. Too much greed and not enough cajones.

[lars573]

So far, not really, no. Although I'm a bit sceptic about the whole settlement building thing. Looks like an inflated Hearthfire (Skyrim) component to me, without much impact on the game apart from giving you something to immerse yourself for a while.

Actually they can make you money when developed enough. So they're actually there for cap-farming.

[Veho Nex]

Less than a month to go!!!

[rvg]

... And it doesn't help that all Bethesda games look and play to me the same with only the wrapper changing.

I must agree with this assessment. Most TES games follow the exact same formula:
1. World in mortal danger
2. Some bigass monster/construct/dragon/whatever as the method of delivery of that destruction (remember Numidium, Akulakhan, Dagon's Avatar or the World Eater?)
3. You, as some random schmuck imprisoned, shipwrecked or otherwise marooned in the immediate area and prophesied to fix everything.

[Montmorency]

Mix it up, then:

Set a Fallout-derivative in Future Tamriel.

[Beskar]

Mix it up, then:

Set a Fallout-derivative in Future Tamriel.

Bethesda to make the next Shadowrun?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

We could talk about this or that capability or feature in the engine (and so gameplay), but at the core it's the Fallout universe and trademark we're concerned with.

That being the case, I honestly have to wonder whether Fallout is just a tired franchise. Options, modding, features, realism, international setting, bla bla bla - it's all beside the point.

Fallout as originally conceived and implemented is simply not translatable into a prolonged series. It was a fine idea for a one-off, but there's nothing really left to it...

It's similar with the Elder Scrolls universe, even if that always had more scope and leeway as a generic fantasy setting. There's just nothing more that can be done with the base.

Ultimately, the only justification for continued Elder Scrolls or Fallout titles from the consumer perspective is that, having some history, they are preferable to "original" content that would just be along the same lines anyway.

I must agree with this assessment. Most TES games follow the exact same formula:
1. World in mortal danger
2. Some bigass monster/construct/dragon/whatever as the method of delivery of that destruction (remember Numidium, Akulakhan, Dagon's Avatar or the World Eater?)
3. You, as some random schmuck imprisoned, shipwrecked or otherwise marooned in the immediate area and prophesied to fix everything.

This is somewhat debatable.

In terms of the Fallout world you can see that there has been definite linear progress from Fallout 1 to Fallout 4, the world has gradually gown and begun to recoverer from the Nuclear Apocalypse, and you have gone from a mad mutant trying to basically take over the world, to the remnants of the US government being neutered to the New California Republic engaged in actual geopolitical battles with other nascent nation-states over resources.

TES has progressed too, in the first four games you had the Empire which essentially meant "the government" and then in Skyrim "the Empire" is just a faction vying for control with the native Jarls and the Thalmor.

It's also worth pointing out that "Random schuck prophesied to save the world from Great Evil" is the plot of the vast majority of games. What makes both TES and Fallout successful is the depth of the law that builds with each subsequent game and the freedom to explore the world the Lore describes.

I'm quite involved in the TES community and I can tell you that the fanbase are really interested in what's going to happen next, and where the game will be set. People are asking if the Empire will finally fall and what will happen when it does.

The Fallout community I'm not really interested in, but I look forward to the release of Fallout 4 as that will finall suck most of them out of the Skyrim community.