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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Heh, the big boys are usually liquidated before they can go to jail, especially in Amsterdam it's getting pretty insane, AK's are way too easy to get. But you are right of course about poverty being a vicious circle. But I wouldn't dismiss the gang-culture as a factor
    You and Kadagar should get together and explain how Oman has lower murder rate per 100,000 people (0,65) than Netherlands (1,00) and Sweden (0,89).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    You Kadagar should get together and explain how Oman has lower murder rate per 100,000 people (0,65) than Netherlands (1,00) and Sweden (0,89).
    No gang-culture?

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    Isn't gang culture also a result of poverty?

    There is even a german gang culture, or there was one before the more violent gang cultures of people from war zones drove the german gangs away due to their more violent nature. At least partially as our western gang culture returned in the form of also very violent motorcycle clubs which own sex slaves and throw hand grenades at bars of competing clubs. So even the ultra violence is not exclusive to some races or cultures, just read up on what the Banditos and the other motorcycle gangs do in their free time. There is even a dutch gang that has begun expanding in Germany now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satudarah

    This is western gang culture plain and simple. We even managed to make it somewhat middle class worthy and they probably have more lawyers as well to avoid getting punished or stopped.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Isn't gang culture also a result of poverty?

    There is even a german gang culture, or there was one before the more violent gang cultures of people from war zones drove the german gangs away due to their more violent nature. At least partially as our western gang culture returned in the form of also very violent motorcycle clubs which own sex slaves and throw hand grenades at bars of competing clubs. So even the ultra violence is not exclusive to some races or cultures, just read up on what the Banditos and the other motorcycle gangs do in their free time. There is even a dutch gang that has begun expanding in Germany now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satudarah

    This is western gang culture plain and simple. We even managed to make it somewhat middle class worthy and they probably have more lawyers as well to avoid getting punished or stopped.

    Completily valid. Motorcycle-clubs are 'rock' in the same way gangster-rap is 'blingbling' though. I know of Saturada, they are expanding in Belgium as well. They are from the Molukken, an island in Indonesia, I don't know how dangerous they are really, they don't like drawing attention. Most of the liquidation-wave is between Marrocan-groups, as it seems at least they kill eachother just because they expect to be killed first. They are a bit like rockstars Marrocan youth. I will go along with poverty being a breeding-groumd
    but that's not the whole story.

    What I know about the motorgangs

    Hell's Angels, branch of the Americans
    Confederates, same
    No Surrender, mostly army/veterans, lots of ex-special forces, an unknown number is fighting alongside the Kurds.
    Saturada, mostly immigrants from the Molukken
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    Another alledged arson in a black church apparently, no victims. Supposedly the seventh in a very short time. How about just don't do that you assholes.

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    http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d/...80iy91LMR_yQ-g

    Apparantly Memphis folks consider protecting people's fragile sensibilities more important than leaving the dead in peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Isn't gang culture also a result of poverty?[
    Result of being human :p
    Think: country club crowd, church crowd, regiment, community .... etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny View Post
    Result of being human :p
    Think: country club crowd, church crowd, regiment, community .... etc.
    So how many people does a church crowd kill on average per year?


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    So how many people does a church crowd kill on average per year?
    Ideally 0, in keeping with the teachings of Christ.
    However, it is also true that examples of most human groupings can be, and have been mobilized to violence on behalf of the group.
    How is a "gang" different from any other collection of people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny View Post
    How is a "gang" different from any other collection of people?
    A gang, at least the ones usually implied with gang culture, is usually built on the idea of committing criminal activity.
    The charge was apparently that this is somehow inherent to black people and my point was that it is more born out of poverty.
    I am not entirely sure why you feel the need to counter my point by saying a gang that deals with heroin and kills members of other gangs is the same as a church crowd. I don't know what church crowds do where you live, but here they usually don't form around making money with criminal activities or kill members of other church crowds over territorial disputes. If that is not different enough, please accept my apology.


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    "I don't know what church crowds do where you live, but here they usually don't form around making money with criminal activities or kill members of other church crowds over territorial disputes." When it happens, we call it a religious war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    When it happens, we call it a religious war.
    When was the last one in the countries we are talking about (USA, Europe)?
    You can abstract everything to the point where all is the same and there is no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "I don't know what church crowds do where you live, but here they usually don't form around making money with criminal activities or kill members of other church crowds over territorial disputes." When it happens, we call it a religious war.
    Isn't this perhaps flat out racism, would make a bet on that being kinda obvious

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    When was the last one in the countries we are talking about (USA, Europe)?
    Northern Ireland, someone?
    Former Yugoslavia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Isn't this perhaps flat out racism, would make a bet on that being kinda obvious
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    Northern Ireland, someone?
    Former Yugoslavia?
    Ok, I'm sorry, mexican drug cartels, corporations, this forum and pentecostals are the exact same thing really.
    I don't even know why gangs and corporations aren't tax exempt.


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    Sorry, but perhaps it's a comment on where perceptions have shifted.
    Violence, illegal activity, drug running, gun running, intimidation ...etc. all fail as defining characteristics.
    You could as easily be talking about religious groups, banks, multinational/transnational corporations or even some governments and their agents.

    A little tip of a very large iceberg:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-on-drugs.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny View Post
    Sorry, but perhaps it's a comment on where perceptions have shifted.
    Violence, illegal activity, drug running, gun running, intimidation ...etc. all fail as defining characteristics.
    You could as easily be talking about religious groups, banks, multinational/transnational corporations or even some governments and their agents.
    And yet we somehow differentiate between them all.


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    It's been a while boys. Just came back to see how racist and right wing the place still is. The usual cronies don't disappoint.
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    I see someone's still sulking about losing the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    It's been a while boys. Just came back to see how racist and right wing the place still is. The usual cronies don't disappoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    It's been a while boys. Just came back to see how racist and right wing the place still is. The usual cronies don't disappoint.
    It's all a matter of perspective, man. To me this place has long since been hijacked by bleeding heart liberal surrender monkeys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    It's all a matter of perspective, man. To me this place has long since been hijacked by bleeding heart liberal surrender monkeys.
    Yes but from your perspective Ghengis Khan put to little focus on the military and too much on hand wringing social programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I see someone's still sulking about losing the election.
    I didn't realise that I was *up* for election
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    Yeah we nominated you for site's token lefty but it turns out a white males can no longer call themselves left wing.
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    I'll just put this here:

    https://youtu.be/fVQjGGJVSXc
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    Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.


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    The state leg should cut all funds.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

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    Per capita is good but it might be better understood if the way a city scales impacts things like patents and crimes. As a city grows those times grow too at a non linear pace. So if you double a city size you more then double crime.

    USA has a lot of large cities so this in someway adds to the increase in both patents and crime. Also different cities/states have their own character. Main point is that you cannot just compare on a per capita basis when you are dealing with a logarithmic algorithm.

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    The heck are you talking about?
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