10 years

[Fragony]

Getting really curious now, wtf happened can I get a discrete summary. I never understood why Louis suddenly stopped posting, I never noticed anything wrong between anyone. Me and Tribes perhaps and I really regret how that turned out, but that's about it.

[Beskar]

You know, I don't exactly remember what Loius said but I remember it made me feel a little ill. It was bad enough that I thought it demonstrated he shouldn't be a mod, but far from being ban-worthy.

We have some rules, so I cannot go into full details, but I will clear something up.

Louis was not banned from the Org, his choice to leave was his free will and isn't/hasn't been barred from coming back at anytime.

[Kralizec]

Banquo had nothing to do with Louis leaving. I'll leave it at that.

[Fragony]

The Marquis de Sade terrified people. Brilliant guy. I wouldn't give Louis the same credits but those who have no sense of humour and can't sense what should be pefectly obvious and harmless sarcasm all the less aren't getting any regardless. I miss AdrianII as well, sarcasm wasn't his thing but he sure was good at being arrogant, and that isn't in any way an insult, just an acknowledgement of decorum.

[Papewaio]

Banquo was a scholar and a gentleman.

Louis was funny and a good soul.

I miss Pindar too. Doubt he misses me though...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Banquo was a scholar and a gentleman.

Louis was funny and a good soul.

I miss Pindar too. Doubt he misses me though...

Strictly speaking, Banquo was a scholar and a nobleman...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Looking back at how I conducted myself...19 was a very angry age for me.

[Strike For The South]

Banquo had nothing to do with Louis leaving. I'll leave it at that.

False. I'll leave it at that.

[Fragony]

Reminds me, I miss AdrianII as well, the smug bastard. We live in the same town and I have known that he frequently visits the same place I do for years, and he knows that as well. Unspoken gentlemen's agreement that we don't know, could have sat right next to him so many times.

[Brenus]

I miss Red, don't remember his full name. Captain in the US Artillery. Hard to debate with, you made one approximation or miss one comma, and bang, you were in trouble... Wife bi-polar, if I remember well. But what a debater...

[Hooahguy]

I miss Tribesman.

[Husar]

I miss Tribesman.

I just reopened the tab to write that. He was mostly right, not always but mostly.
Unfortunately his sense for justice was so strong that he could not stay among people who are often wrong.

[Hooahguy]

I remember hating his guts so much when I first came here. Then as my views changed I didnt hate him nearly as much. Then he left, much to my disappointment.

[Fragony]

I just reopened the tab to write that. He was mostly right, not always but mostly.
Unfortunately his sense for justice was so strong that he could not stay among people who are often wrong.

Threatening with comming to your house to 'pay you a littlle visit' ain't nice though. I am sorry about how things went. I was just trolling Tribes when I reported him but Tosa(rip) took it really serious. I tried to undo it because it was probably just a drunk action to threaten me but it was too late, things were set into motion. Tosa forwarded a mail of mine in which I asked him to come back but Tribes felt like the org staff had sided with me.

[Kagemusha]

I miss Red, don't remember his full name. Captain in the US Artillery. Hard to debate with, you made one approximation or miss one comma, and bang, you were in trouble... Wife bi-polar, if I remember well. But what a debater...

Redleg ,i remember him too. Very strict fellow, but i remember admiring his sense of justice and common sense.

[Kralizec]

False. I'll leave it at that.

Really? That's not how I remember it, but nevermind.

[Beskar]

Really? That's not how I remember it, but nevermind.

I am curious with the connection myself, but it could have a reference to Louis-gate...

There was a theme that Moderators were seen as 'above' the law and a couple of examples which received majority of the stink were by BQ and Louis. In their separate ways, they received the brunt of the 'attack' which BQ retired and led to Louis-gate.

[Fragony]

I missed all of this but I liked BG, he was a gentleman who insisted on courtious behaviour. Nothing wrong with that.

[Proletariat]

unreal that Fragony of all people doesn't know what the joke was that led to Louis getting tossed.

the staff got trolled very hard by a loser who had an axe to grind with Louis. the staff took the troll's side. it's grated on me since but for some reason, probably my nostalgia from the Rome 1 era of the forum, I took a role back here. I've sat here half heartedly barely moderating much and I attribute most of that discouragement to the way the admins handled Louis and BG. I'm a pretty big coward for having done this. I'm sorry to you all

anyway, 10 years. it's largely due to this backroom that I've gone from a raging Conservative Club (lol) member to spending free time on grass roots efforts for Sanders. I learned a lot back here and am very grateful to have found this place at an age when I needed it most.

[Strike For The South]

My feelings exactly. I pop in to check in on my favorite British posters. Most everyone else I have other ways to contact. Well that and being a creature of habit.

The backroom has always been sort of an aberration on what is (was?) a hardcore mod forum for a hardcore fan base of a niche (well was) game. Louis and Banqou ended up not meshing with these friendless Virgins and faux demagogues and left. Presumably because they are well adjusted adults with hobbies and girlfriends.

Im over it. This place is a habit of nothing else.

[Husar]

Quite frankly, I never wanted Louis to leave, but he did show behaviour that was not okay, especially not for a moderator.
As Tiaexz says, an "okay, that was not a great idea" might have helped here and there.

[Fragony]

I don't even remember the joke, I can take jokes perfectly fine. This is a sad outcome of something perfectly innocent.

I'll take it as a compliment that Louis never explained anything to me

edit: just to make it clear, I have no idea what joke it was, probably a funny one. I have no idea who took offence, and who caused any trouble. I just learned now it was because of a joke against me, but I had absolutily nothing to do with it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well out of the two categories Strike listed, I'm glad I'm not in the friendless virgin camp.

[Husar]

I don't even remember the joke, I can take jokes perfectly fine. This is a sad outcome of something perfectly innocent.

I'll take it as a compliment that Louis never explained anything to me

edit: just to make it clear, I have no idea what joke it was, probably a funny one. I have no idea who took offence, and who caused any trouble. I just learned now it was because of a joke against me, but I had absolutily nothing to do with it.

It was not just one single thing, the joke towards you was neither the beginning nor the end of it and it is correct that you had not much to do with it. There was a conflict in terms of rules. Should we allow mods to say things members are not allowed to say or should we allow it because it was a joke? In the first case the members would complain that mods have special rights in terms of speech and in the letter case, members could insult eachother and then claim it was a joke. That was more or less how it began and was endlessly debated until it actually escalated. As long as there was just a debate, noone was going to get fired, that only came up when instead of apologizing and forgetting about it, Louis decided to one-up his questionable approach to the matter in order to prove some kind of point that he was right.

[Sarmatian]

It was not just one single thing, the joke towards you was neither the beginning nor the end of it and it is correct that you had not much to do with it. There was a conflict in terms of rules. Should we allow mods to say things members are not allowed to say or should we allow it because it was a joke? In the first case the members would complain that mods have special rights in terms of speech and in the letter case, members could insult eachother and then claim it was a joke.

Bollox. I've learned some things in the meantime (and Prole's post confirmed it), and it had nothing to do with that. We've allowed far worse before and since with no consequences. I can't even blame ACIN any more. If it hadn't been him, it would've been something else.

In one single stroke of pettiness, we were robbed of BQ, Louis and Adrian, certainly among our best and brightest. It's a disgrace and someone should at least be a man and own up to it instead of hiding behind "we don't want to reveal anything out of respect to them".

[Csargo]

unreal that Fragony of all people doesn't know what the joke was that led to Louis getting tossed.

the staff got trolled very hard by a loser who had an axe to grind with Louis. the staff took the troll's side. it's grated on me since but for some reason, probably my nostalgia from the Rome 1 era of the forum, I took a role back here. I've sat here half heartedly barely moderating much and I attribute most of that discouragement to the way the admins handled Louis and BG. I'm a pretty big coward for having done this. I'm sorry to you all

anyway, 10 years. it's largely due to this backroom that I've gone from a raging Conservative Club (lol) member to spending free time on grass roots efforts for Sanders. I learned a lot back here and am very grateful to have found this place at an age when I needed it most.

Glad to see you still around. Chatroom nostalgia is the only reason I'm still around here. I also enjoy reading the threads here in the Backroom, but I don't really post. It's just become something of a habit for me to visit. Maybe I'm just hoping that I'll see some people from way back post again. People who were hilarious and smart, and I learned a lot from about a lot of different things. I really miss those people... There's still a few around, but a lot are gone. I'm not sure where I was going with this really, just miss the good ole days. I don't have any idea what happened to Louis, I've always wondered about that. He seemed like a really good guy from what I could tell, really funny as well.

tl;dr Sad nostalgia

[Beskar]

In one single stroke of pettiness, we were robbed of BQ, Louis and Adrian, certainly among our best and brightest. It's a disgrace and someone should at least be a man and own up to it instead of hiding behind "we don't want to reveal anything out of respect to them".

Just a question, do you think it is appropriate to discuss some of the more private interactions with members (like Louis)..
1) without their their permission.
2) in circumstances they cannot refute, deny or defend statements.

Because honestly, in my opinion, that is a can of worms that shouldn't be opened.

[Greyblades]

Could someone please just tell us non veterans what happened with Lois?

[Fragony]

It was not just one single thing, the joke towards you was neither the beginning nor the end of it and it is correct that you had not much to do with it. There was a conflict in terms of rules. Should we allow mods to say things members are not allowed to say or should we allow it because it was a joke? In the first case the members would complain that mods have special rights in terms of speech and in the letter case, members could insult eachother and then claim it was a joke. That was more or less how it began and was endlessly debated until it actually escalated. As long as there was just a debate, noone was going to get fired, that only came up when instead of apologizing and forgetting about it, Louis decided to one-up his questionable approach to the matter in order to prove some kind of point that he was right.

Not 'not much to do with it', but 'anything at all'. I just heard about it now

[Sarmatian]

Just a question, do you think it is appropriate to discuss some of the more private interactions with members (like Louis)..
1) without their their permission.
2) in circumstances they cannot refute, deny or defend statements.

1) Those mentioned already proved they don't care what happens here by leaving and never looking back.

2) There's no need for you to give us your version - simply post the thread or threads from moderator's private garden here and allow everyone to draw conclusions for themselves.

Could someone please just tell us non veterans what happened with Lois?

Read Prole's post. The only detail omitted is that a rather big part of the .Org staff (mostly those not involved in the backroom) were just waiting for an opportunity and ACIN delivered it to them on a silver platter. Louis and Banquo left and Adrian followed suit after learning the reasons of their decision.