Iranian Treaty was it even necessary?

[HopAlongBunny]

The US is trumpeting a treaty with Iran. Reportedly blocking Iran from nuclear weapons (if that was ever their goal) and laying a framework for "safe" nuclear development.
The whole issue is surrounded with misinformation, propaganda and misdirection. What was accomplished?

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/s...t-of-iran.html

[Hooahguy]

Well on the plus side we get to see Bibi and the other warhawks lose their over this deal.

[Fragony]

Not even the Mossad believes Iran is making weapons, would still be very very carefully though, with such a young population a former revolution has runned it's cycle, there is a next one comming, the green wave failed but it's inevitable.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The US is trumpeting a treaty with Iran. Reportedly blocking Iran from nuclear weapons (if that was ever their goal) and laying a framework for "safe" nuclear development.
The whole issue is surrounded with misinformation, propaganda and misdirection. What was accomplished?

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/s...t-of-iran.html

What was accomplished was that Iran and the US came to a formal agreement - a decade ago one was calling the other the "Great Satan" and the other was the linchpin of the "Axis of Evil".

This is incredibly important from a political point of view even if, in reality, it will have little effect on Iran's Nuclear program. Being honest, as Iran become more moderate and Israel more cranky I begin to wonder if we might be better off if the Islamic Republic had nukes to counter the Jewish State with.

[Brenus]

This treaty will open the way for mass tourism.
The Islamic Republic of Iran will be nuke by thousand and hundred of thousand women in bikini on their beaches...
Hmmm... Wonder to which way it will go...

[I of the Storm]

Well, the whole west had them under sanctions for what, a decade? Now they've basically offered them permission to do business with the west again. Capitalism will do what it does best: "corrupt" the population with money and consumer goods, thus eroding the islamic state. Might take a while, but I guess they'll become much more moderate long-term.

[a completely inoffensive name]

At worst this deal will delay Iran from obtaining enough enriched material for about a year. At best, this delays their weapons program for 15 years since one of the stipulations is that they can't enrich uranium above 3.67%, which is the level required for nuclear power generation but far below weapons grade. The number of centrifuges will be reduced by over half, leaving them with ~5,000.

This means that the 24/7 inspectors have multiple chances at detecting whether or not Iran is behaving badly. Uranium needs to be enriched over 90% to be ready for a nuclear bomb. The inspectors are looking for a supply chain consistent with enrichment for a nuclear energy program which will look different in size than a supply chain consistent with building nuclear weapons.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I guess people are not that passionate about Middle East politics?

[Hooahguy]

Well there really isnt anyone here who thinks this deal is bad enough to tank.

[Pannonian]

Would the Pollard release be related to this?

[Kralizec]

Would the Pollard release be related to this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/wo...mber.html?_r=0

Doesn't seem to be related.
His parole would prevent him from leaving the USA, so some people have suggested that Obama use his pardon so that Pollard can move to Israel. If Pollard is released from prison because it's consistent with parole practices, then I have no problem with that, but that man deserves absolutely no clemency.

[Hooahguy]

So a number of Democrats are coming out against the deal, including Senator Chuck Schumer who is a big influence in the Senate, which might actually torpedo the deal, as now that some Democrats are seeing at least one of the big guns in the party turn against the President, they might as well.

[Crandar]

So a number of Democrats are coming out against the deal, including Senator Chuck Schumer who is a big influence in the Senate, which might actually torpedo the deal, as now that some Democrats are seeing at least one of the big guns in the party turn against the President, they might as well.

Well, it's not very suprising, it it? After all, Schumer probably is the untilate Shabbos goy of the Democrats.

[Hooahguy]

Not very surprising, no, but it does say something about his leadership qualities and it puts his future as the leader of the Senate Democrats into question. Though some are wondering if he only announced he was against the deal when he was assured that there was enough Democrat opposition to ensure it would pass.

[Hooahguy]

So apparently Obama got the votes he needed to maintain the deal, which is a good thing. Because now our allies wont hate us even more.

[Husar]

So apparently Obama got the votes he needed to maintain the deal, which is a good thing. Because now our allies wont hate us even more.

Except for one or two of (y)our "most reliable partners" in the Middle East I guess.

[Hooahguy]

Except for one or two of (y)our "most reliable partners" in the Middle East I guess.

True, but the $3 billion we give them in military aid shuts them up. Not to mention our UN veto power.

Never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you, right? For all of their protests, Israel is going to have to shut up and take it. Though we will probably calm them by selling them some bunker busting bombs or something else like that. Though not the F-35, they would just sell it to the Chinese anyways.

[HopAlongBunny]

Peace in our time!
But...is it peace with honor!?

http://wonkette.com/593572/aw-man-do...do-war-to-iran

[Husar]

True, but the $3 billion we give them in military aid shuts them up. Not to mention our UN veto power.

Never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you, right? For all of their protests, Israel is going to have to shut up and take it. Though we will probably calm them by selling them some bunker busting bombs or something else like that. Though not the F-35, they would just sell it to the Chinese anyways.

And Saudi Arabia will get the Leopard tanks they wanted or so?

[Hooahguy]

And Saudi Arabia will get the Leopard tanks they wanted or so?

That or more cluster bombs they can drop on civilian populations in Yemen.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

True, but the $3 billion we give them in military aid shuts them up. Not to mention our UN veto power.

Never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you, right? For all of their protests, Israel is going to have to shut up and take it. Though we will probably calm them by selling them some bunker busting bombs or something else like that. Though not the F-35, they would just sell it to the Chinese anyways.

Aren't the Israelis already slated to get the F-35 and fit it with Israeli tech?

Because their military are all arseholes, all the way up.

[Hooahguy]

Ah crap, looks like you are right. Whelp, I suppose now we can expect China to get an F-35 equivalent plane sooner rather than later. Such great allies, right?

[rory_20_uk]

Iran is a natural ally(ish) of the West as they are Persian and don't get on well with Arabs.

Yes, it worries Saudi Arabia, Israel and Pakistan. Good. All These Countries Are NOT Our Friends. They are our strategic partners - they need to want us to be nice to them, not the other way around. They ALL need us a lot more than we need them.

[Gilrandir]

They ALL need us a lot more than we need them.

This way of thinking has brought Putin to the impass where he is now.

[rory_20_uk]

This way of thinking has brought Putin to the impass where he is now.

What are you referring to?

Saudi Arabia and Israel are used to doing exactly what they want and us needing to turn a blind eye to their latest abuses as who else is there? Now there would be choices.

[Gilrandir]

What are you referring to?

Saudi Arabia and Israel are used to doing exactly what they want and us needing to turn a blind eye to their latest abuses as who else is there? Now there would be choices.

In modern world you will never know who needs who more and what may happen if someone miscalculates.

[rory_20_uk]

In modern world you will never know who needs who more and what may happen if someone miscalculates.

Nobody has ever known for sure who needs who more and who miscalculates.

So... back all sides to a degree rather than alienating one power block.

[Gilrandir]

Saudi Arabia and Israel are used to doing exactly what they want and us needing to turn a blind eye to their latest abuses as who else is there?

The West needs KSA 1) to keep down the oil prices with a view to upset Russia as much as possible; 2) to keep ISIS from encroaching southwards and Gulfwards. The West needs Israel to keep the Arabs busy fighting with it; if Israel were to disapear they would qucikly find another object to afflict (guess who it would be). These are off the top of my head, one could find other reasons if one puts on his thinking cap.

[rory_20_uk]

The West needs KSA 1) to keep down the oil prices with a view to upset Russia as much as possible; 2) to keep ISIS from encroaching southwards and Gulfwards. The West needs Israel to keep the Arabs busy fighting with it; if Israel were to disapear they would qucikly find another object to afflict (guess who it would be). These are off the top of my head, one could find other reasons if one puts on his thinking cap.

They really are off the top of your head!

Saudi Arabia in OPEC was responsible for the INCREASE in oil price until very recently - and now the levels are lower than they need for their fiscal accounts as it is the USA with Frackking is causing the low price by fuel flooding the market.

Saudi Arabia is fighting in Yemen and elsewhere for its own self interest. No need for us to help for them to want to do this.

Who said Israel to disappear? Interact with them, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Iran is a good bulwark against the others - which hopefully stops Saudi Arabia from exporting extreme Islam elsewhere. Iran is actively fighting ISIS in Iraq and in Syria who they are also bestest mates with.

Support the Shia and the Sunni - just like the Iran Iraq war. That way we can ensure both sides loose, as opposed to us being a side at all.

[Montmorency]

Yes, Saudi Arabia has seen a dramatic decline in its international influence in the past 5 years, and will continue to do so until it too disintegrates as a state by the mid-century.