IMMIGRATION thread

[Fragony]

It says the reporter asked them how she was doing with all that work she has on her plate.
I suppose they answered the question like, you know, many people do when asked a question.

And why would he ask the question if people weren't wondering if she's still 'the same'. I fully believe she don't sleep very well, probably muttering 'aber... wir...schaffen...das...' with an icebag on her forehead. The childless mutti has losst most if not all crediblty in the schengen-zone

[Sarmatian]

She isn't sending muslims back home. Something must be wrong with her, because no sane person would do that.

[Fragony]

You forgot calling me a bigot

[Gilrandir]

Yes, the romans, Greeks and a few others had different ideas long before that, but especially the Romans, which PVC likes so much, were apparently not afraid to have all kinds of different people within their borders as long as they followed certain laws, no?

Perhaps it was one of the reasons that brought Roman empire down?

[Husar]

Perhaps it was one of the reasons that brought Roman empire down?

Perhaps it wasn't?

[Fragony]

Perhaps it wasn't?

It wasn't, Roman empire never falled, 'barbarian invasion' is much more complicated than that. But that has little to do with the childless mutti's little children who she empty-eyed invited with a dumb smile on her face. Now that she can't schaff that after all she wants to other member-states to take it of her plumb shoulders. They aren't going to, they can see her detoriating mental-health. Childless women do strange things when they get older. Merkel reminds me the (excellent) movie Downfall, or Untergang in German. Completly irrational. Yoda voice: get rid of her, gently escort her to a mental-institution, you must

[Gilrandir]

It wasn't, Roman empire never falled, 'barbarian invasion' is much more complicated than that.

That's what I meant. Internal weakness coupled with attacks from outside. But internal weakness was caused by different factors, heterogeneous populace was one of them.

[Fragony]

That's what I meant. Internal weakness coupled with attacks from outside. But internal weakness was caused by different factors, heterogeneous populace was one of them.

Parallels are always risky, you end up urguing with yourself. Current situation is new, never so much, never so fast. You make yourself a really easy target if you draw comparisons withthe Roman Empire, very tempting to do but a first year student is going to destroy any argument

[Papewaio]

So can we take bets now on what is going to last longer?

Northern EU vs Southern EU and which one accepts whose authority?

[Fragony]

Make that west and east

[Gilrandir]

Parallels are always risky, you end up urguing with yourself. Current situation is new, never so much, never so fast. You make yourself a really easy target if you draw comparisons withthe Roman Empire, very tempting to do but a first year student is going to destroy any argument

If you refer to my post you will see that it was Husar who drew upon a parallel. I was arguing about Roman Empire and the causes of its downfall, NOT about today's Gemany or Europe.

[Fragony]

If you refer to my post you will see that it was Husar who drew upon a parallel. I was arguing about Roman Empire and the causes of its downfall, NOT about today's Gemany or Europe.

I know

[Husar]

If you refer to my post you will see that it was Husar who drew upon a parallel. I was arguing about Roman Empire and the causes of its downfall, NOT about today's Gemany or Europe.

If you look closer at my post you will see that I only brought it up because Phillippus Vallinderus Callicula or by whatever name he goes now brought it up before. Therefore, I am innocent, which proves me right!

[Husar]

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...d_5292808.html

There is a new police report that finally reveals how many problems there actually are with males of north african descent. The report states that 33.6% of the morroccans in North-Rhine-Westphalia have become criminal and 38.6% of the Algerians. So you can say that it's unfair to blame the crime mostly on north africans, but it certainly seems to fit the statistics as refugees and the likes are apparently not nearly as strongly represented.

The opposition says they've always been saying that they need to be kicked out faster but their home countries refuse to fill out the papers to take them back as they do not want them back. So is the government now trying to blame all refugee criminality on north africans? Is Merkel racist after all? The report is from the government of North-Rhine-Westphalia though, we are ruled here by the social democrats who so far didn't want such statistics to come to light apparently. What seems pretty obvious though is that the law enforcement processes are slow and full of loopholes.

[Fragony]

Poor north-africans, disposable apparently when there are people who you should pity even more for that warm feeling. It isn't true, most were Syrian, Iraqi's and Afghans.

[Husar]

Poor north-africans, disposable apparently when there are people who you should pity even more for that warm feeling. It isn't true, most were Syrian, Iraqi's and Afghans.

I'm sorry, of course you are right.

[Fragony]

I'm sorry, of course you are right.

I am, and the cildless Mutti Merkel is going to be bonjoured, you'll see.

[Snowhobbit]

Why is this happening? Multiple reasons, ranging from the fact that life is pretty shitty in certain parts of the world (especially when compared with life, and in particular the image of life in Europe), to the fact that there is a war going on in Syria, that Libya is lawless and that growing up in a refugee camp is not appealing. These are what I'd call the push factors. Then add in dictatorships around the horn of Africa which is a legitimate thing to flee from.
Then we have the pull factors, from which we can take our pick of Merkel's "everyone is welcome" and "wir schaffen das" to signal politics from Swedish politicians stating "there is no limit, we will take everyone" and automatic permanent residency (and thus citizenship in 4 years) and a very generous welfare system. The difference in quality of life between living on welfare in a country like Sweden to trying to make a life in some poor sub-Saharan country or a refugee camp is astonishing.

With the turnabout that our government has made, and that the German one is making, this is all showing how short-sighted and frankly callous and disgusting our political leadership is. That is not to say that all of those who have come here will be staying. Some will go home once the war is over, and a significant amount will have to be repatriated once they are refused the right to live in the countries they applied for asylum in. It will take a lot of work and to some extent measures that will be cried over by the usual suspects, but all the same it will be done. It is the only way to stop the influx, something our politicians are slowly waking up to.

[Fragony]

Simply because a mentally deranged German chancellor who is known to have a messias-complex invited them. Now she doesn't know what to do with them and wants other nations to get the burden of her plumb shoulders. Not going to happen it's Germany's problem. All nations are closing their borders and the childless mutti is muttering 'wir schaffen das' with an icebag on her forehead

[Sarmatian]

Let's cut the bull and get down to brass tacks. I'm even willing to set aside the fact that I was right months ago

About what exactly?

[Fragony]

About what exactly?

That it's insane perhaps? Most aren't even refugees. A lot of rapefugees though, as anyone living near a 'refugee-camp' can tell you.

[Pannonian]

Since the UK (and Ireland) aren't part of Schengen, we still have our border controls, and we are under no obligation to accept anyone unless we choose to. I darn well hope we don't choose to. Anyone wishing to enter the UK can come via the usual channels, or else face getting chucked back or a reasonable approximation thereof.

[Kralizec]

No country has an obligation to take in migrants in general.

True refugees make up a minority of the people we're talking about. It's been that way in the past, and it's true now even though the numbers are much bigger. I read a good article a few months ago behind the logistics and economics of human trafficking. I forgot most of the details, but it listed several reasons why an increase in legitimate refugees (i.e. Syrians and Eritreans) also leads to an increase of people who migrate for purely economic reasons. People who have understandable reasons for trying (if you lived in a third world country, wouldn't you like to move to Germany or the UK?) but who have no reasonable claim for asylum.

Multiple ideas have been put forward in which Turkey would put more effort in preventing human trafficking across the sea and, in return, European countries would take in a fixed number of genuine refugees every year, until the Syrian conflict has ended. Turkey would also receive some financial compensation for this scheme. This would be great if it could be made to work but...it's Turkey we're talking about.

As for frau Merkel: I also think that the particular speech she's been criticized so much for was ill-conceived, but mostly because of the predictable political backlash. I don't buy the assertion that one speech will suddenly cause millions of people to pack their bags. There was a huge spike of migrants shortly afterwards, but most of those people would have been on the move for weeks before that. On the other hand, David Cameron isn't known for lofty welcome speeches but people are still trying to cross the canal tunnel in droves. What does that tell you?

[Husar]

Because it is our responsibility as christian nations:

Simply put, our responsibility lies in working for the Lord, whether it is in “looking after orphans or widows in distress” (James 1:27), giving to the hungry, the naked, visiting those in prison (see Matthew 25:35-36), serving in our workplace (see Colossians 3:22), or doing whatever we do (Colossians 3:23). And our motivation is that we have God’s own promise that our work “is not in vain” in the Lord “since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving” (Colossians 3:24).

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-responsibility.html

Atheists are free to disagree I guess.

[Greyblades]

Tbe answer is simple; Weed out the migrants from the refugees and send the migrants home, at gunpoint if need be. The unattached ablebodied refugees we lump on the surrounding muslim countries, the rest we stick in local refugee camps until Assad wins and we can send them home.

The problem is that a lot of the european governments are filled with people who are either too invested in or deluded about the current situation to do what needs to be done.

[InsaneApache]

Since the UK (and Ireland) aren't part of Schengen, we still have our border controls, and we are under no obligation to accept anyone unless we choose to. I darn well hope we don't choose to. Anyone wishing to enter the UK can come via the usual channels, or else face getting chucked back or a reasonable approximation thereof.

Aye until Mutti decides to give them all German passports! Next stop London.

[Pannonian]

Because it is our responsibility as christian nations:

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-responsibility.html

Atheists are free to disagree I guess.

Was this in the manifesto of the party that won the last General Election?

[Sarmatian]

Mother Europe is in danger. Unwashed brown barbarians are coming...

I love you guys. About 90% of you fall under entitled brats with no clue about life. And 2/3 of those 90% are bigots and chauvinists.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Because it is our responsibility as christian nations:



http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-responsibility.html

Atheists are free to disagree I guess.

As an atheist I would not disagree.

[Fragony]

Mother Europe is in danger. Unwashed brown barbarians are coming...

I love you guys. About 90% of you fall under entitled brats with no clue about life. And 2/3 of those 90% are bigots and chauvinists.

Is this a bigot or just an ordinary woman who says how things are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5RifrDfElo

Let's not even start about the predatory behaviour in Germany and Sweden. Must say that the problems are pretty small here in the Netherlands