Seriously, put yourself into my situation and be of any use.

[I of the Storm]

Offer to proof-read his biography, ask him to elaborate on this or that or to go about something a different way (basically, be his editor friend). Might take his mind off the other things and might get him into writing?

[Beskar]

He has been going trough that for years, as I said he is highly intelligent, they can't reach him as he is way to smart to not notice it when someone is playing with his toes. He holds me in high regards but I don't know how to change his mind either. He's a bit like Sartre's Nausea in a way, or every way really, everhthing disgusts him.

edit, come to think of it, he should read that, he could relate to that

If he is intelligent, then possibly CBT will be helpful as I am guessing the problem from your statement is the negative automatic thoughts. I am not familiar with the Dutch system, but he could possibly get a referral from his GP for access to computer-CBT.

Good therapy is not tricking or placating but challenging the thoughts and the way of thinking. It would require a level of insight and motivation from your friend to see it through. It sounds like his previous issues might result in negative responses to practitioners trying to feel him out and he makes a mind game out of it for his amusement. It can happen a lot, and it usually requires trying to build a therapeutic relationship before attempting to initiate a care plan.

Depending on his presentation, it could be that your friend may benefit more from DBT if the issue is more to do with maladaptive personality traits. This unfortunately can occur in incidences of abuse (which was hinted at) caused by the emotional toll and damage this can cause to a person unseen. That would require more advanced mental health services but I hope this is not needed in his case.

All I can honestly recommend given the situation and circumstances is for you to continue being a good friend to him. A good friend is not a yes man but someone who will support and challenge him when required. You seem to have his high regard and you are probably a protective factor for him. Yes, it can be difficult for you and I hope he recognises this and values you more for it.

If you want to help view the situation with him, there are the 5Ps in understanding risk. In short, these are:
Presenting - what are the key or lead risk? You mentioned about suicide and his father.
Predisposing - what led to the risks? So you mentioned abut his personality and possible abuse.
Precipitating - what triggers the risk? Was it something in particular which made this come up now and 6months ago?
Perpetuating - what maintains the risk?
Protecting - what are the persons strengths and supports? This could be you as a friend, this could be his hobbies/interests like the biography.

Being as intelligent as you claim, maybe him having a view of the situation might allow him to review himself and be able to make a better selnse of it all.

However, Fragony, do not or try not to be his therapist, do not go there. Support him but do not take that role. You are his friend first and forth most.

[Fragony]

Without any intending any lack of apreciation, I know how it works I am a bachelor on psycholigy myself. Not trying to ridicule your efforts they are apreciated

[Beskar]

Without any intending any lack of apreciation, I know how it works I am a bachelor on psycholigy myself. Not trying to ridicule your efforts they are apreciated

That is no problem. It is usually the things which in hindsight which are simple end up being very effective, so brushing away any therapies, there are still things you could do with your friend with are not as overt, such as encouraging him to think about Risk formulation if there is something he would be willing to approach, so both you and your friend are able to understand the processes involved and work to lessen the risk and expand the protective factors.

For other things, there is mediation/mindfulness. There is Headspace.com but that is on the expensive side (but first 10 sessions are free).

There is nothing much we can do other than signpost to gateway services for them to get involved.

[Montmorency]

Good therapy is not tricking or placating but challenging the thoughts and the way of thinking.

Hence why one of the neurologists I know commented:

"DBT is like a cult!" :p

[Fragony]

That is no problem. It is usually the things which in hindsight which are simple end up being very effective, so brushing away any therapies, there are still things you could do with your friend with are not as overt, such as encouraging him to think about Risk formulation if there is something he would be willing to approach, so both you and your friend are able to understand the processes involved and work to lessen the risk and expand the protective factors.

For other things, there is mediation/mindfulness. There is Headspace.com but that is on the expensive side (but first 10 sessions are free).

There is nothing much we can do other than signpost to gateway services for them to get involved.

and I'm not gojg to do that, I am not to go inform anyone I allready did tnat. It isn't my problem anymore.

[Montmorency]

It isn't my problem anymore.

So...

then...

why...

why the thread?

[Sarmatian]

I'm still waiting to hear what happened with Frags' friend who wanted to kill the mother of his own child.

Frags' friends do seem like they come right out of a Hitchcock movie

[Montmorency]

I think I've got it.

Fragony maintains his entire persona - he's done it for over a decade - for the sole purpose of bringing up these "friends" every few years.

So he mentions that he's got a friend, with violent tendencies, who needs help, wants to kill themselves, wants to kill someone they hate (and who Fragony should really have killed himself already) - and then it drops.

So what's going on?

Fragony is setting up a deniability screen. These elaborate scenarios are actually cover for serial killings that he himself is carrying out.



But now that we know, he has to kill us too.

[CrossLOPER]

Fragony is setting up a deniability screen. These elaborate scenarios are actually cover for serial killings that he himself is carrying out.

You think he is capable of this sort of fixation?

[Hooahguy]

Lets try to avoid the personal attacks, shall we?

[Fragony]

I wouldn't redudicle a very sitiuation such as this myself, but if you have to feel free to do so. I just don't understand you.

[CrossLOPER]

I just don't understand you.

We feel the same way about you, sometimes.

[Hooahguy]

This discussion does not look like it will produce anything more productive.