Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pelican maybe?

I know he is a much bigger lurker as scum than he is town. But everybody is lurking. I guess I could vote him today.

^Still not converted then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I dont get this thought process.

He has the same thought process as you so he has to be scum.

Its like you have this idea that he is scum and are just coming up with reasons for it.

Well yes

I'm citing what I see as his scum behavior

It looks like a faked case like what scumbags do to lynch villagers but i have 8 years of being a villager that backs up the fact that this is precisely my process for how I prosecute things I find guilty.

Once I suspect someone I begin pushing them and citing what they're doing that's scummy, rather than what I do as scum which is I begin citing posts that I find "scummy" that I can eventually use to lynch them, which blends in better.

Also I do believe I'm out of here tonight because he does think I'm cult. I get to die on the town side this game which is awesome. As not-starting cult which is what they probably believe I am, I'd be vulnerable to the murder.

They have to lynch Pelican to destroy the cult, imo. They can do so, but only if they pick off the recruits by lynch or murder, to get the voting advantage they'd need.

Hence how they're behaving today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Al, then Pelican, then Jarema, then Cuth, in that order.

Technically Pelican first would prevent more recruits. But I'm most certain of Al.

You should lynch only inside of these 4 today, and it would be a really good idea for all townies to actually consolidate their votes because I'm calling out both the mafia and the cult. I need voting allies now.

[atheotes]

My thoughts...
Day 1: Dont see anything...
Day 2: GH, ATPG, Raith and Zack had 2 votes on them. Al Sips casts the deciding vote on Zack. Perhaps one of the other 3 are on his team.
GH votes for Al Sips (Distancing?)
Day 3- Visor and Al sips share some in joke. Al Sips posts a list of possible townies.Post 239. Visor approves of it
Visor claims himself and Al Sips are town. Pizza goes hard on Visor
Day 4 - Pizza drops case on Visor. Why?
During discussion, Al Sips explains Pizza's possible strategy, Pizza agrees seemingly in jest.
Pelican votes Alsips to turn tide from Jarema - Add to general scum vibe from Pelican - Al sips and Pelican are possibly on opposite sides...
Also, Post 426: Pizza makes a cheeky admission of following GH! Applause!

So here goes:
20 ppl - 2 bullet proof, 2 non-convertible , 2+ other roles (powers perhaps - could be mafia/cult/town)
2-4 starting mafia (2 seems low, unless a boss/apprentice kind of set up)
1-2 starting cult (I am leaning towards 2 as game can go flat if sole cultist is lynched D1)

Mafia
N1 - BSmith (town) killed
N2 - Kennigit (Cult) killed
N3 - Bullet proof? Roleblock?
N4 - GH (Cult) killed

Cult
N1 - GH converted
N2 - Visor converted
N3- Pizza converted
N4 - ?

Starting cult - Al sips and Kennigit
Possible mafia - Pelican, Jarema, ? , ?

@Pizza, I think you want Pelican to be lynched. But you are also willing to sacrifice a team mate for the win.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

[Visor]

N2 - Visor converted
N3- Pizza converted

why would we still be arguing in thread

[atheotes]

why would we still be arguing in thread

read it as a third party...Pizza went hard and then suddenly dropped it the next day. Only to resume today as an afterthought...

[Visor]

read it as a third party...Pizza went hard and then suddenly dropped it the next day. Only to resume today as an afterthought...

True enough. I think he was surprised at me town reading him.

[Pelican]

I'll say once more that I voted Al Sips simply because Al Sips is the clearest scum lead, and I'll continue to vote: Al Sips until it's proven otherwise.

Still think Raith Kimmler is on Al's team.

Jarrema as scum makes more sense in light of GH flip.

Zain maybe?

I already missed a deadline irl in part due to time spent on this game, so that's probably all you'll see from me today. It depends on how well I manage to avoid further procrastination...

[atheotes]

I'll say once more that I voted Al Sips simply because Al Sips is the clearest scum lead, and I'll continue to vote: Al Sips until it's proven otherwise.

Still think Raith Kimmler is on Al's team.

Jarrema as scum makes more sense in light of GH flip.

Zain maybe?

I already missed a deadline irl in part due to time spent on this game, so that's probably all you'll see from me today. It depends on how well I manage to avoid further procrastination...

You have voted only once against Al Sips so far...it just seems like you are looking for an easy lynch.
How are Jarema and GH related?

Seems like an useful post...something a townie would do...also he is not available to respond further...yeah right! you are innocent!!!

[Al Sipsclar]

A wall of words is incoming. Some reflections that I was having in and out of game.

His anti-cult mindset, who he's voted, his poseur-townie behavior. The ease in clearing villagers so far.

The lack of struggle that villagers are having.

Pizza, you also said that I try hard in one of the big spoilered posts. And you're right, I do try hard. Like I said already, this is my 8th game, and everything is still new and exciting. I want to put out my best game given the time and effort limits that I have for this new hobby of mine. Not everyone is a smooth-talker, it takes time for me to compose a coherent sentence, so if my posts seem awkward, that's because they are.

In my very first game (RedDwarf on CFC) I suddenly realized that actually participating in the game is much harder than just leisurely reading the thread and voting. Just coming up with an ordered list of reads is hard enough. Crystallizing impressions and gut feelings into reasons and cases is close to impossible for me. In a later game (Visor's Madness!), I tried a carefree play, and the results were disastrous - the town was utterly pwned.

Its just quoting posts and saying its scummy.

I get this a lot. I think the struggle I have playing mafia is because I don't understand and can't agree when people say some posts or players are scummy. I know that a right thing to say is that everyone is scummy, and few are the scummiest, but this is not how I feel. My approach might be wrong, but I keep looking for things that clear people and reduce the pool of lynch candidates. Otherwise, I'll be just lost in paranoia.

Since I usually come across as scummy, I even developed a silly town-tell, which works especially well on new folks who never played with me before. If they vote me, I tend to believe they are town, since scum would know that I'm innocent. That's why I think Zain and atheotes are town.

So why are you so vehemently accuse me, Pizza. We played maybe 2 games together, and you hosted one I played in. I was town in all (I was scum only once in Zack's Demon Council on CFC). So it's not like you're a clueless townie. You vote me because you're scum. Was I right about you when I said you're were converted N1 and saw through your mafia cooperation strategy? You even agreed with that, in the same way khaan agreed with GH's case against him. A funny post that atheotes dug up where you pledged your allegiance to GH.

I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a big fan of yours, I wanted to see you play, and learn from you. But I can't play with you if you're playing against me. I don't think we're on the same team.

Unvote; Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I think we have a big problem on our hands and that problem is the cult. Pizza and Visor has been trying to deflect the attention away from cult-hunting, saying only mafia wants to destroy the cult, and I think they are guilty because of that. We've been lynching townies, all the while mafia can't swing a dead cat without hitting a cultist. The presence of the cult is polluting our reads, we can't clear townies when cult can immediately recruit them away. I'd like to see at least 4 cultists dead, if we lynch some mafiosi while hunting for the cult, it's even better, but until I see the that the cult faction is eliminated, I can't let up my cult hunting.

Pelican tripped on the same post I made, so I believe he's with Pizza. Raith's claim is easy to do for a scum and unverifiable. Cuth and Jarema might be Pizza distancing partners.

[Al Sipsclar]

My spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
My reads coloring there is crappy because of cult paranoia I have.

[atheotes]

Interesting post by Al Sips.

Maybe i will get a reaction now...we have close to 2 hours left. It would be nice if more people show up. Many more solid lynch candidates than Cuth.
unvote; Vote: ATPG

@Visor, why are you voting for Cuth? What is best for the town at this point? Trying to lynch scum or cult? @Sooh & @Csargo, Perhaps there is enough material for you to revisit your vote?

[atheotes]

Anyone there?

[Visor]

vote: atpg

[El Barto]

DAY FIVE

Askthepizzaguy was lynched.

atpg: Cuthillius; Al Sipsclar; atheotes; Visorslash (4)
Cuthillius: Raith Kemmler; Sooh; Csargo (3)
Pelican: Jarema (1)
Al Sipsclar: atpg; Pelican (2)

Not voting: Choxorn; Zain; landlubber; (3)

List of players

1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. atheotes

It is now Night Five. It will last 24 hours. Remember to send in your Night Actions.

[atheotes]

I believed his stance shift was indicative of being recruited...
Visor why did you vote for Pizza if you believed he was townie?

[Csargo]

I thought ATPG was town. Turns out he was
@atheotes I thought Cuth was a good lynch for today. Unsure why Visor shifted to ATPG.

[Choxorn]

Visor is definitely scum

[Cuthillius]

Yes.

[Visor]

I thought ATPG was town. Turns out he was
@atheotes I thought Cuth was a good lynch for today. Unsure why Visor shifted to ATPG.

I can't really answer that. I stayed up late, got up late, thought the wagons were different.

I didn't mean to lynch him. I was just lazy and I paid the price for the mistake.

[Visor]

I don't think ATPG would mind, dying as a townie. At least he did that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

lol cult games

[Sooh]

He was way too involved to be cult or mafia in this game.

His involvement as mafia or cult looks different I think.

I believed he was town, but not strongly enough to defend him I guess.

[atheotes]

I can't really answer that. I stayed up late, got up late, thought the wagons were different.

I didn't mean to lynch him. I was just lazy and I paid the price for the mistake.

I don't think ATPG would mind, dying as a townie. At least he did that.

Is that all you can offer as your reason?

[Visor]

Is that all you can offer as your reason?

Yes. I made a mistake. What else do you want from me?

[El Barto]

I've fixed a slight tally mistake. atpg was lynched and revealed as town anyway.

[atheotes]

Yes. I made a mistake. What else do you want from me?

You could start with why you wanted to switch your vote

[Visor]

You could start with why you wanted to switch your vote

Because I thought al sips was town and I wanted to show that I thought that.

I didn't know the tally

[Sooh]

Because I thought al sips was town and I wanted to show that I thought that.

I didn't know the tally

You showed Al Sips that you thought he was town by voting Pizza?

Crazy enough that it might be townie.

[El Barto]

NIGHT FIVE

Visorslash was found dead.

He was town!

List of players

1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Day Six. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes.