Remain or leave:UK referendum

[Snowhobbit]

Do you still have intercourse with your sterring wheel or are you done yet? Doing a google search to read up on how equal is not equal to equal would do wonders for your reading comprehension. And why is the king inferior to you? Do you think it is correct to keep the king around as an inferior or are you just a sadist and like that? You're not disputing any lies, you do not even respond to what I say, you just keep repeating the same things over and over, which have nothing to do with what I said (i.e. trolling). I already said this discussion is pointless but apparently you want to keep it going and I am happy to do so, hard to say no when children have a wish.

To show how well you read what I say:




Do you like to argue against windmills?

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He did not make the negotiations possible in the first place either. I don't understand why you refuse to back up the statements that you make, but I do understand why you have to keep moving the goalposts. Did your parents not raise you right?

[Husar]

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He did not make the negotiations possible in the first place either. I don't understand why you refuse to back up the statements that you make, but I do understand why you have to keep moving the goalposts. Did your parents not raise you right?

I did back up the statement, see the article. Sending the king to Thailand made it possible to send the businessmen onto the trip as well and get them access to the government of Thailand. That's not a lie, that's what the article says. You have not brought up a single point against that. As for moving the goalposts, this was about men being born equal, now you are only talking about the Swedish king and his power to negotiate, who is moving goalposts?

Did your parents not raise you right?

Explain how this relates to the topic, please?

[Snowhobbit]

I did back up the statement, see the article. Sending the king to Thailand made it possible to send the businessmen onto the trip as well and get them access to the government of Thailand. That's not a lie, that's what the article says. You have not brought up a single point against that. As for moving the goalposts, this was about men being born equal, now you are only talking about the Swedish king and his power to negotiate, who is moving goalposts?



Explain how this relates to the topic, please?

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No, your quote does not prove your assertion. Do German businessmen only travel abroad when their King goes with them? Then how do you export anything at all? Do you have a secret king hidden in a closet?

[Husar]

As for the English philosophical view, which I was talking about:

http://www.studentpulse.com/articles...-on-government

Locke believed, contrary to claims that God had “made all people naturally subject to a monarch”, that people are “by nature free.”(Tuckness). This belief was the foundation of his philosophy on Government. To Locke, a Government existed, among other things, to promote public good, and to protect the life, liberty, and property of its people. For this reason, those who govern must be elected by the society, and the society must hold the power to instate a new Government when necessary.

Which is pretty much what I described earlier. The medieval belief was that god selected someone as king, who was inherently better and meant to rule the others. The underlying idea of "all men are created equal" was that, as Locke said, a king and a peasant are equal by nature and noone is inherently destined by a higher power to rule others as a birthright.

To claim that the philosophy is useless because some are born richer or poorer misses the fundamental point and the historic context. It's not wrong, it's just a different topic. It should also become clear that having a monarch as part of the government who is not elected by the people means that this idea was not fully realized in said country. Whether that is a good or a bad thing may also be up for debate.

[Furunculus]

I have to laugh at what cropped up yesterday...

Jeremy Clarkson, the poster boy of the right, who many right-wing forumer goers defended when he punched a producer because he feels deserves a hot meal to be waiting for him, his overuse of racial statements and language being proof of his bravery against political correctness, and the bulwark against the (supposed) evil left-winger BBC. InsaneApache and PVC waiting in line for his autograph like fangirls.

Well, it turns out he is in favour of staying within the EU, not only that, he is a full-on federalist who believes in the creation of the "United States of Europe".

Source

What makes it even more amusing is the response of his right-wing fans.

i like him because i believe it is a self-evident good that bbc employees are exposed to him in the the otherwise rarefied atmosphere they breath on a daily basis, but i'm quite happy to accept that he is a fallible human being and capable of being plain wrong. just like the rest of us.

[Husar]

i like him because i believe it is a self-evident good that bbc employees are exposed to him in the the otherwise rarefied atmosphere they breath on a daily basis, but i'm quite happy to accept that he is a fallible human being and capable of being plain wrong. just like the rest of us.

Jeresy!

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Completely unacceptable language for the Backroom

[Snowhobbit]

Completely unacceptable language for the Backroom

[Snowhobbit]

As for the English philosophical view, which I was talking about:

http://www.studentpulse.com/articles...-on-government



Which is pretty much what I described earlier. The medieval belief was that god selected someone as king, who was inherently better and meant to rule the others. The underlying idea of "all men are created equal" was that, as Locke said, a king and a peasant are equal by nature and noone is inherently destined by a higher power to rule others as a birthright.

To claim that the philosophy is useless because some are born richer or poorer misses the fundamental point and the historic context. It's not wrong, it's just a different topic. It should also become clear that having a monarch as part of the government who is not elected by the people means that this idea was not fully realized in said country. Whether that is a good or a bad thing may also be up for debate.

A philosophy is useless when it cannot be applied or used in a way to better understand reality or potential reality.
People in China are inherently less free than people in the Western world today. People in Turkey do not enjoy the same right to free-speech etc. Heck I'm pretty sure people in the US have a higher right to free speech than in Germany (because Nazies), meanwhile respect of privacy is probably larger in Germany than in the US. People are not born with the same freedoms, and the notion of inalienable rights is ludicrous. Rights need to be protected and safeguarded, either by a benevolent government or a determined people.

[Hooahguy]

Ok everyone, unless people can start acting in a civil manner I will have to shut this thread down for a bit to let people cool off. So please refrain from personal attacks like calling people trolls or wife-beaters and other things that have no place here.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I have to laugh at what cropped up yesterday...

Jeremy Clarkson, the poster boy of the right, who many right-wing forumer goers defended when he punched a producer because he feels deserves a hot meal to be waiting for him, his overuse of racial statements and language being proof of his bravery against political correctness, and the bulwark against the (supposed) evil left-winger BBC. InsaneApache and PVC waiting in line for his autograph like fangirls.

Well, it turns out he is in favour of staying within the EU, not only that, he is a full-on federalist who believes in the creation of the "United States of Europe".

Source

What makes it even more amusing is the response of his right-wing fans.

You forgot the bit where he reported himself whilst the producer he punched tried to cover it up, also his cancer scare.

[Beskar]

You forgot the bit where he reported himself whilst the producer he punched tried to cover it up, also his cancer scare.

I wasn't aware of the first part. I thought the producer didn't press charges, and Jeremy only reported himself after word about it was already in the media to save face. If you are correct, I will give him credit for his accountability.

[Gilrandir]

It's been a while since I joined the backroom, when did insults replace arguments?

Since you start talking about people hitting their wives and having a terrible education or does that not count because you're special?

No, it was since someone decided to judge the soundness of opinions on the basis of people's origin/nationality/citizenship. Thus, a couple of weeks before the wife beating babble.

[Snowhobbit]

No, it was since someone decided to judge the soundness of opinions on the basis of people's origin/nationality/citizenship. Thus, a couple of weeks before the wife beating babble.

Oh, not before some people decide to be rape-apologists then? Cool.

[Gilrandir]

Oh, not before some people decide to be rape-apologists then? Cool.

As your manner of debate shows, it is just enough to disagree with you to cause vitriol spouting.

[Snowhobbit]

As your manner of debate shows, it is just enough to disagree with you to cause vitriol spouting.

Yep, responding tit for tat to people who are apologists for rape is horrible. How ever do you manage to return to the forum?

[Hooahguy]

Since we cannot seem to act like adults here, I am locking this until further notice. Next time this happens I will start handing out infraction points to all offending parties.