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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post

    Who can recognize the patch in the soldier's shoulder?
    "Novorossia" flag.
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    Or was it a rhetoric question?

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    It was a rhetoric question, but still congrats on recognizing it.

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    I thought he was either Scottish or a Confederate, but thanks for clearing that up.

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    I'm joking, but I really didn't know what flag it was.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    It was a rhetoric question, but still congrats on recognizing it.
    I've been observing this flag for close on three years now.

    Meanwhile Kurds yield what they have gained to Assad. To avoid an encounter with the Turks?
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39140880
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    To Syria, not Assad, and yes, they want the Syrian Army as a buffer-zone.
    There are even talks of giving Manbij to Syria, but I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    To Syria, not Assad, and yes, they want the Syrian Army as a buffer-zone.
    There are even talks of giving Manbij to Syria, but I doubt it.
    While Assad was officially at power they carved a "state" of their own for themselves. Now they relinquish a part of it to Assad back. But they were and are ostensibly a part of Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    While Assad was officially at power they carved a "state" of their own for themselves. Now they relinquish a part of it to Assad back. But they were and are ostensibly a part of Syria.
    Kurdish took that area from Isis control, not from Assad regime.

    At this moment Turkish backed militias are clashing with YPG at the area, so their concern is quite realistic. With this attack against the Kurds. Turkey is only playing at the hand of Isis, because i doubt Kurds are going to continue their push against Raqqa while being attacked themselves by the so called "Euphrates shield" forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Kurdish took that area from Isis control, not from Assad regime.
    Yet they have been fighting whoever they could on their own without proclaiming allegiance to Assad. And they are a separate party of the civil war. Thus I don't believe they are totally ready to let Assad rule them again. And I doubt they would let Assad further than Manbij.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Yet they have been fighting whoever they could on their own without proclaiming allegiance to Assad. And they are a separate party of the civil war. Thus I don't believe they are totally ready to let Assad rule them again. And I doubt they would let Assad further than Manbij.
    No one is saying that they are ready to unconditionally submit to Assad, but they are not actively fighting his regime either. In any case Turkish backed forces are hostile to Syrian Kurdish while Assad at least for the moment have other more pressing issues to deal with. What is common with both Assad and the Syrian Kurdish is that they both feel threatened by increasing influence of Turkey in Northern Syria. Like i said before. Turkish backed campaign against Isis seems nothing else then cover for them to check the two Syrian Kurdish owned territories from joining together at their Southern border.
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    On a more basic level this may be a case of "better the devil you know". The Syrian army are probably better than whatever loons the Turks are backing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    On a more basic level this may be a case of "better the devil you know". The Syrian army are probably better than whatever loons the Turks are backing.
    Apparently, by now the Syrian Army is an Alawite-populated husk of commissioned officers and heavy weapons units that leaves most of the ground fighting to sectarian militias, i.e. more of a brand than a professional institution. Could explain why they've performed much better on the offense than defense.

    I don't think this crop will ever prove up to storming the Golan Heights. Maybe the air force has improved?

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    The army has become vastly more corrupt, less professional,
    and more isolated from wider society in the five years since the
    start of the Syrian conflict. The military networks of nepotism
    and patronage, already deeply entrenched before the 2011
    uprising, have transformed the army and especially the officer
    corps into kleptocratic organizations. The deprofessionalization
    of the army and the unfolding war have further hollowed out
    the army institutionally, leaving the officers little option but to
    collude with regime networks and cash in on the corruption to
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    compensate for their low salaries. And as the army becomes less
    professional, the more it has to rely on Alawite recruits to help
    offset the army’s organizational deficiencies.
    Yet, the army’s paradoxical resilience has been essential for the
    Assad regime’s survival. Subcontracting the ground operations
    to paramilitary forces has allowed the army to avoid many
    battlefield losses. It has also helped to prevent mass defections
    and to bolster the army’s image as a stalwart pillar of national
    unity among regime supporters.
    Should substantive negotiations to end the Syrian conflict
    finally take place, neither the regime nor the opposition has
    any interest in dismantling the army, as this would likely
    bring about the total collapse of the Syrian state and renew
    the war. The regime has used this fact to its advantage: by
    ensuring the army remains deprofessionalized, it has secured
    officers’ dependence and prolonged its influence via parallel
    command chains.
    Last edited by Montmorency; 03-05-2017 at 04:54.
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