Bird mafia [Concluded]

[Zack]

honestly I thought zack was scummy for most of the game

but why? people always say "oh zack but you're always scummy" but I don't get it honestly.

[El Barto]

double a you goof

Hey, to be fair, you didn't vote for edse either.

but why? people always say "oh zack but you're always scummy" but I don't get it honestly.

It's because you were scum the last game both here and on CFC.

[Zack]

Hey, to be fair, you didn't vote for edse either.

Yes I did actually. But Double A came in and chose to vote me over edse (when it was tied 1-1 between us), so that ship had already sailed.

[El Barto]

Why did you not leave the vote on edse and try to convince Double A? Admittedly, he is a goof, but that way you had a chance… Double A wasn't much of a mafioso.

[Zack]

Why did you not leave the vote on edse and try to convince Double A? Admittedly, he is a goof, but that way you had a chance… Double A wasn't much of a mafioso.

There were like 20 minutes left in the day and I had to go afk in less than 5. I already gave plenty of ammo against edse for Double A to consider -- not just the last day phase, but for a few phases before that -- and he chose to look the other way. He made his choice. And regardless of my feelings of double a / edse, any lynch was far better than mine.

[Double A]

I could've been convinced to not be a goof. It probably wouldn't have been that hard.

[Zack]

in fairness I was caught up in #implications

[Winston Hughes]

Got to hand it to edse, really. Given where we were the previous evening, he had to pitch his efforts just right to weasel out that lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I understand Zack's decision. If the round is almost over, and Double A is not convinced after all the work Zack put into it, Zack's only option is to either be stubborn and get lynched, or to play the "if I am wrong" game and try to lynch anyone but himself.

In my opinion, Zack's choice is tactically correct, even if it doesn't win the game. He didn't have that many options left and he needed to make a decision to save the game, and his options were down to either stand pat and await his death, or try to lynch the only person available to him.

Under time pressure and having to leave, I think Zack can leave this game knowing he tried all the available options.

If he had time to sit and try to convince Double A more, then perhaps keep to your convictions is better. But, I've made decisions like that many times. In final 3, the other townie needs to vote correctly or I will self-pres.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Got to hand it to edse, really. Given where we were the previous evening, he had to pitch his efforts just right to weasel out that lynch.

It was incredible to watch. A couple posts he made on the final round were convincing to me that he deserved an outright win.

Let me find and quote it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're town you have to convince me that Double A is the last scum. But as you see, he is absent, not lurking. That's not someone who randed mafia. That also means that there is little information about him. (Just as about me, but I tend to lurk my way into end games nowadays)

But it's true, it's exactly like the NOTW where you had me choose between two townies. This time i at least have a chance at being right.

This post, I feel, was an excellent post by edse. The game really started to lean in the scum's direction after this post.

[Zack]

in fairness to double a, I was never really decided on which was scum. props to edse.

[Winston Hughes]

One thing I should have picked out in Zack's favour was the Beskar kill. I doubt he'd have gone there as scum.

[Zack]

I understand Zack's decision. If the round is almost over, and Double A is not convinced after all the work Zack put into it, Zack's only option is to either be stubborn and get lynched, or to play the "if I am wrong" game and try to lynch anyone but himself.

In my opinion, Zack's choice is tactically correct, even if it doesn't win the game. He didn't have that many options left and he needed to make a decision to save the game, and his options were down to either stand pat and await his death, or try to lynch the only person available to him.

Under time pressure and having to leave, I think Zack can leave this game knowing he tried all the available options.

If he had time to sit and try to convince Double A more, then perhaps keep to your convictions is better. But, I've made decisions like that many times. In final 3, the other townie needs to vote correctly or I will self-pres.

Yeah. I gave edse the opportunity to vote Double A, and double a the opportunity to vote edse, and both spat in my face.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To be fair, you have one of the goofiest faces I've ever seen this game. Perhaps spitting in it was pure reflex, or like a defensive mechanism, like recoiling in confusion and being startled.

My goodness there are some goofy looking Birds. I laughed my butt off just looking at these pictures.

Great potoo is not as goofy looking overall as the one with inflatable chin boobs, but those eyes and the ridiculous facial expressions means it wins goofiest damned bird.

[Winston Hughes]

Scum's advantage going into a three man standoff: they choose the jury.

[Winston Hughes]

inflatable chin boobs

Can I use this as a song title?

[Zack]

lylo is always the best in vanilla games imo

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was worried that giving town masons and a doctor would be OP. I made the masons a bit weaker as a result.

I still think that the mason lynch almost never happens. Was a fluke that both masons were away when the lynch was on one of them. Also, if they were forced to claim, simply shooting the correct lover-mason would cause both to die.

I think a doctor realistically protects only once per game unless they get lucky, so khaan missing isn't a terribly big deal. There were still enough rounds to find the scums.

[GeneralHankerchief]

lylo is always the best in vanilla games imo

It's even better when there are no reveals and the dead are allowed to troll talk.

[Zack]

It's even better when there are no reveals and the dead are allowed to troll talk.

I hate no reveals

[GeneralHankerchief]

NO REVEALS HATE YOU

[El Barto]

I understand Zack's decision. If the round is almost over, and Double A is not convinced after all the work Zack put into it, Zack's only option is to either be stubborn and get lynched, or to play the "if I am wrong" game and try to lynch anyone but himself.

In my opinion, Zack's choice is tactically correct, even if it doesn't win the game. He didn't have that many options left and he needed to make a decision to save the game, and his options were down to either stand pat and await his death, or try to lynch the only person available to him.

Under time pressure and having to leave, I think Zack can leave this game knowing he tried all the available options.

If he had time to sit and try to convince Double A more, then perhaps keep to your convictions is better. But, I've made decisions like that many times. In final 3, the other townie needs to vote correctly or I will self-pres.

That's only feasible with a player who cares about the game and will, you know, stay around and play it.

[Zack]

personally I can't think of a better person to rest the fate of the entire game on than double a

[Visor]

I understand Zack's decision. If the round is almost over, and Double A is not convinced after all the work Zack put into it, Zack's only option is to either be stubborn and get lynched, or to play the "if I am wrong" game and try to lynch anyone but himself.

In my opinion, Zack's choice is tactically correct, even if it doesn't win the game. He didn't have that many options left and he needed to make a decision to save the game, and his options were down to either stand pat and await his death, or try to lynch the only person available to him.

Under time pressure and having to leave, I think Zack can leave this game knowing he tried all the available options.

If he had time to sit and try to convince Double A more, then perhaps keep to your convictions is better. But, I've made decisions like that many times. In final 3, the other townie needs to vote correctly or I will self-pres.

i said the exact same thing in soul scourge

I didn't think spaceman was the scum but I had to vote him in case I was wrong

(lolspaceman for voting me that game anyway)

[Zack]

i said the exact same thing in soul scourge

I didn't think spaceman was the scum but I had to vote him in case I was wrong

(lolspaceman for voting me that game anyway)

[Zack]

If Zack is alive in lylo, scum always win.

- Either Zack is scum and somehow squeaks out the victory through his butt

- Or Zack is town and is lynched, ignored, and/or wrong (probably all three)

[Zack]

Though, I'm pretty sure scum win in lylo the vast majority of the time. Especially if it's lylo with more than 1 scum.

Because you have to get two townies to unite together to defeat the scum. Anyone who has been town recognizes the folly in such a task.

[Beskar]

Unfortunately, I got wiped out when I got a fix on GH as the Mafia.

[Al Sipsclar]

This was fun, thanks ATPG for hosting!