Bomb attacks on Brussels airport

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is not something that I wanted as a part of Holy Week. More people to add to my prayers and fewer people who can focus on life's joys.

All very sad.

[edyzmedieval]

Are our Belgian Orgahs safe?

[Shaka_Khan]

LeftEyeNine might be in Belgium now.

[Fragony]

Not in Brussels don't worry

[Snowhobbit]

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/ter...angladdningar/

In Swedish press apparently the airport bombers had plans for even bigger explosions, but they could not fit all of their luggage into the taxi. Thank God they did not get the bigger taxi that they had ordered, or the death tole might be multiples higher. Two of the five suitcases were left where they took the taxi and have now been taken in by the police, and with only two bombs out of five detonating this could have been a whole lot worse. Even taking into account that the second bomb was placed where people would be running. Meanwhile in Delhi they wouldn't even have been able to get to the airport parking lot.

Towards the end of the article it is made clear that a trio of would be terrorists were arrested in Germany after having fled Belgium. The arrests were made possible thanks to anonymous tips, in true Fragony style, should we guess the religion of the people who gave the tip? Given that there was no international warrant for these guys and nobody knew their faces, it would have to be someone close to them...

[Fragony]

Am I a trademark now lol. Tips probably were from Absesalam who was at the Paris massacre. All in all this attack is a bit of a fail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI6dxjxq4Fw

[Snowhobbit]

Am I a trademark now lol. Tips probably were from Absesalam who was at the Paris massacre. All in all this attack is a bit of a fail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI6dxjxq4Fw

So while in isolation from the outside world he had very intimate knowledge of their whereabouts? If it was Abdesalam then they would not have been arrested yesterday but earlier. But go on, you can keep on hating the Muslims, we all know that is what you do best.

[Fragony]

So while in isolation from the outside world he had very intimate knowledge of their whereabouts? If it was Abdesalam then they would not have been arrested yesterday but earlier. But go on, you can keep on hating the Muslims, we all know that is what you do best.

Oh sigh, Abdesalam wanted to exchange knowledge of upcomming attacks because he didn't want to get deported to France. Attacks have been prevented all over Europe. And yeah I hate muslims I'll tell fuck off

Are you one of those who think it's inconceivable (princess bride tune) that IS sends troops to Europe and radicals infest homegrowns, tickle me if you want to make me laugh

I don't hate muslims I just hate islam (look up what the word means for me please)

[Snowhobbit]

Oh sigh, Abdesalam wanted to exchange knowledge of upcomming attacks because he didn't want to get deported to France. Attacks have been prevented all over Europe. And yeah I hate muslims I'll tell fuck off

Are you one of those who think it's inconceivable (princess bride tune) that IS sends troops to Europe and radicals infest homegrowns, tickle me if you want to make me laugh

I don't hate muslims I just hate islam

Of course he did, but somehow I don't think part of the attack plan is to run away like rats from a sinking ship. Attacks are prevented regularly, these guys are most likely somehow connected to the broader network that planned the attacks yesterday and the Paris November strike.

[Snowhobbit]

Keeping to the topic, the third bombman and supposedly chief bomb-maker of ISIS has just been arrested! Good job!

[Snowhobbit]

From the BBC livefeed:


A suspect arrested in Brussels this morning was not Najim Laachraoui, thought to be one of three men in a CCTV image taken before the Zaventem airport attack, some Belgian media are now saying

The newspaper, DH, which first reported the story, says the man detained earlier on Wednesday in the Anderlecht district had been misidentified.

Police and prosecutors have not commented on the reports and are due to hold a news conference within the next hour.


The press conference has now been held and the third bomb-man is unfortunately still on the run.
My most humble and sincere apologies to everyone who reads the thread for posting news updates and not letting Fragony spew his hatred all over the thread, I am truly honestly sorry for sharing information on the attacks and the aftermath, as well as discussing ways to prevent this directly and indirectly.

[Husar]

Obviously there is not much more to be discussed about islamist terror attacks unless someone wants to volunteer and argue that they're justified or a good thing for his arms sales?

Volunteers?

[Snowhobbit]

Obviously there is not much more to be discussed about islamist terror attacks unless someone wants to volunteer and argue that they're justified or a good thing for his arms sales?

Volunteers?

Well it is still possible to discuss further developments to the stories as well as various ways of preventing further attacks like this.

I just read that the suit-case bombs were full of small metal objects, which is why there are so many injured, their limbs have been taken off or shredded. Fortunately it seems that the bombs exploded around knee level on the trolleys, if they had been chest-high the death-toll might be in the hundreds instead. I suppose we should count the small blessings we get.

[Gilrandir]

No Hussie as I wrote it is perfectly fine, what you write isn't, neither in combination with nor is a double negative. If you want to be a grammar-nazi at least be good at it.

Husar is perfectly right. Neither nor is not a double negation but a paired preposition, so what he says about its usage is correct.

Now on topic: what was Russian officials' reaction to the latest events in Brussels
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...sels-bombings/

[Snowhobbit]

Husar is perfectly right. Neither nor is not a double negation but a paired preposition, so what he says about its usage is correct.

Now on topic: what Zhirinovsky thinks of the latest events in Brussels and in Europe generally
http://newsme.com.ua/en/world/3340494/

The English in that article is a bit lacking so it is hard to get the exact message of what he is trying to say. But he seems to be saying it is good for Russia that civilians in Europe are being killed by terrorists? That is a disgusting thing to say, and he is head of the Duma, which I presume means he is the Speaker? Not sure why such a person got that position, maybe it is not as important in Russia? At least Putin clearly condemned it, hopefully the meeting the Kerry will produce some results or future actions to be undertaken.

[Fragony]

Husar is perfectly right. Neither nor is not a double negation but a paired preposition, so what he says about its usage is correct.

Now on topic: what Zhirinovsky thinks of the latest events in Brussels and in Europe generally
http://newsme.com.ua/en/world/3340494/

No he's not, it's neither or or nor. More interested in what Snowhobbit has to say atm

[Gilrandir]

The English in that article is a bit lacking so it is hard to get the exact message of what he is trying to say. But he seems to be saying it is good for Russia that civilians in Europe are being killed by terrorists? That is a disgusting thing to say, and he is head of the Duma, which I presume means he is the Speaker? Not sure why such a person got that position, maybe it is not as important in Russia? At least Putin clearly condemned it, hopefully the meeting the Kerry will produce some results or future actions to be undertaken.

I linked another article with a better command of English and a greater gamut of opinions from Russia's top officials. Yet it doesn't cancel what Zhirinovsky said. And some correction: Znirinovsky is an ex-speaker of Duma (was one in 2010-11). They say he proclaims openly what Putin thinks but is too cautious to spill out.

[Snowhobbit]

I linked another article with a better command of English and a greater gamut of opinions from Russia's top officials. Yet it doesn't cancel what Zhirinovsky said. And some correction: Znirinovsky is an ex-speaker of Duma (was one in 2010-11). They say he proclaims openly what Putin thinks but is too cautious to spill out.

Was my estimation of what Zhirinovsky said correct? And who are they?

Scoring cheap domestic points on a foreign tragedy is sadly all too common, and can especially be expected of a Russia which has decided to try to reclaim its former super-power status. Fortunately there are more sane and level-headed politicians, such as the Moscow Mayor and Mr Putin himself. Taking a broader view, more international cooperation against terrorism is needed to stop the mindless violence which strikes all over the world. Russia, Asian countries and not the least the Arab world which is the main financier of this madness.

Also since Russia managed to get NATO on topic, does anyone think Belgium will invoke Article 5 same as France did?

[Strike For The South]

integrate harder.

[Husar]

integrate harder.

They said on the radio that in France, Germany and a few other countries it is indeed so that a lot of people radicalize due to their bad circumstances, living in the banlieus or what they're called. On the other hand in the UK being a radical islamist is the new punk, where bored rich kids want to rebel against their parents.
In countries like Iraq, where muslims were integrated much better, it does not look better though. It is a poorer country however compared to France or Belgium.

Germany has so far had 12 attempts at an attack since 2001, 11 of which were prevented by the police, partially due to cooperation with other countries, specifically the US. The one that was not prevented was a failure I think. But that is where I'd begin in order to stop it, give the police the means to stop them before they happen instead of trying to stop people from gathering or something like that.

The soft factors that you mention also count. If our country is more loveable, it will be harder for radicals to tell children that it isn't.

[Fragony]

Or be like the Vizegrat-countries and just don't let islam in. There is no islamic terrorism if there is no islam

[Husar]

Or be like the Vizegrat-countries and just don't let islam in. There is no islamic terrorism if there is no islam

Define islam.

Answers in new thread, please! - Beskar

[Pannonian]

They said on the radio that in France, Germany and a few other countries it is indeed so that a lot of people radicalize due to their bad circumstances, living in the banlieus or what they're called. On the other hand in the UK being a radical islamist is the new punk, where bored rich kids want to rebel against their parents.
In countries like Iraq, where muslims were integrated much better, it does not look better though. It is a poorer country however compared to France or Belgium.

Germany has so far had 12 attempts at an attack since 2001, 11 of which were prevented by the police, partially due to cooperation with other countries, specifically the US. The one that was not prevented was a failure I think. But that is where I'd begin in order to stop it, give the police the means to stop them before they happen instead of trying to stop people from gathering or something like that.

The soft factors that you mention also count. If our country is more loveable, it will be harder for radicals to tell children that it isn't.

Let's see if the Belgian attackers were second generation.

[Snowhobbit]

Let's see if the Belgian attackers were second generation.

The ones identified so far have been second generation immigrants with roots from north Africa originally.

[Beskar]

Keep personal attacks to a minimum. This is not debate user thread, it is one devoted to some appalling attacks in Belgium. Violence is never good.

Edit: I deleted 25 posts. If this happens again, I am giving everyone involved a time-out.

[Brenus]

"They said on the radio that in France, Germany and a few other countries it is indeed so that a lot of people radicalize due to their bad circumstances, living in the banlieus or what they're called" What THEY say is simply not true.
First of all, not many radicalised, reason why the terrorists came from Belgium. Can I remind here that France has (had?) the biggest number of "Muslims", most of them atheists anyway.
Khaled Kelkal, the first of the home grown Muslim killer was a student at Lyon III La Doua, in Sciences... Boualen Benasaid was a sport teacher. The 2 thugs involved in this attack of Charlie Hebdo were indeed drugs dealers, but their brother and sister, raised in the same background are successful in their chosen carriers.
This is the usual story. The criminals choose to go for a ideology based on slavery, murder and racism. It is not due to social backgrounds or I would have done the same. So my brothers, sisters and family. I heard this on the BBC this morning. Made my blood boiling. Stop trying to find excuse. They decide to kill people and put bomb in dreaming of free virgins because they are looser, for the ones blowing themselves. The ones making money in selling oil to Turkey are all alive, and live well.
I lived in banlieux, so all my friends. It is not great, but it is cheap rent, and you can move from it. They are not ghetto, only if self inflicted. Not that life is rosy and tender, but it is not SOWETO.

[Husar]

Stop trying to find excuse.

What excuse? Who said poverty is an excuse for murder?
Stop making things up.

[Greyblades]

So I read that the belgium police asked a Teacher to stop tweeting after he reported that his muslim students cheered the brussels attack.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I'm not sure what to make of it, the proof is on twitter but it's just one guy's word, and a very ambiguous word at that.

I cant read dutch and google translate is as useful as ever, can anyone give a proper translation? I think I'm missing something because of the language barrier.

[Kralizec]

So I read that the belgium police asked a Teacher to stop tweeting after he reported that his muslim students cheered the brussels attack.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I'm not sure what to make of it, the proof is on twitter but it's just one guy's word, and a very ambiguous word at that.

I cant read dutch and google translate is as useful as ever, can anyone give a proper translation? I think I'm missing something because of the language barrier.

It says "How can you teach when there are muslim kids in your class applauding?"

The guy in question isn't a teacher in the usual sense though - he's a yoga instructor. He says his tweets were inspired by some facebook comments he saw from muslim kids.

[Snowhobbit]

It says "How can you teach when there are muslim kids in your class applauding?"

The guy in question isn't a teacher in the usual sense though - he's a yoga instructor. He says his tweets were inspired by some facebook comments he saw from muslim kids.

So.. He extrapolates from facebook (which may well be a fake post) that his students are clapping while they are not, and thus he cannot teach and needs to spread hatred against minority groups? Shouldn't yoga instructors have enough "inner peace" to not mix internet rumors with actual reality? If there were actual people in his class applauding I'm sure there are ways more efficient than Twitter to get them to stop...