IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[Choxorn]

Jarema is more scummy than zAcK, for sure.

Unvote, Vote: Jarema

[Raith Kemmler]

7 hours till end of day.

Very clustered voting. Not surprising with the high volume posters making accusations, but not sure how to read that wagonomics.

This is where I give a hearty laugh at pizza expressing a desire to village together (with me), and also note how boring it is when most people on this site are content to simply sheep atpg.

Unvote; Vote: Jarema

John took deep offense at your bad mouthing the community! Or maybe he hates Jarema. Who knows? Votes without rational ahoy. GK, if I vote for you will give me an impression about things currently?

Enough with the pretzels.

GH and Zack are very unlikely to be Mafia together.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pokes my village

Wonders why several of them not doing me a solid here

Continue on I guess

[Sooh]

Vote count:

AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips
GH (2) - Raith Kemmler, El Barto
Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: none



Slightly less than 6 hours to go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@edse

Not that it should matter especially, but I know Zack was pushing more than one villager today and then suggested you for death when the idea was to pull off of GH and Jarema. If you're a villager this should be interesting stuff to you. You are also lock clear if Zack is scum. As such, your assistance would be appreciated. Also your post 374 looks indicative that you'd be receptive to this idea.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jarema is more scummy than zAcK, for sure.

Unvote, Vote: Jarema

Choxorn probably always a wolf this game, regardless of the alignments of Zack or Jarema.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Choxorn probably always a wolf this game, regardless of the alignments of Zack or Jarema.

How do you get that out of that post?

Genuinely curious.

[Raith Kemmler]

How do you get that out of that post?

Genuinely curious.

Phrasing with assurance at the end coupled with bandwagon timing looks dirty opportunitistic.

[Raith Kemmler]

Unvote;
Vote [Admiral Kleenex]

Less out of Zack guilt and more because I don't want to be one the same wagon ad Chox today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, I don't get why Khaan is defending GH that strongly unless they're scumbuddies, mason partners, or Khaan has a N0 peak and used it on GH. GH's posts just don't feel right to me, so I don't get why town Khaan would get a town read of GH unless masons or cops or something.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Pushing for a cop or mason to be outed.

I happen to be a mason so I know I'm not about to cause one to happen when I pushed on GH.

I also don't believe for a moment that Khaan's posts defending GH were cop result based. Because of how they were phased to include universes where GH might be guilty. You don't do that as cop.

And there's sufficient actual villagers pushing GH at this time that this is a safe maneuver for a scum and possibly forces villager claims.

So? It may be true that there's rarely anything of significant substance on Day One, but "rarely" isn't "never."

For instance, I think making posts like this makes you look scummy, and this is one of those rare cases where we can be confident of a scumread on day 1.

Opportunistic piling on when GH is under heavy pressure.

Pizza, why do you think I'm scum?
AdmiralKleeZack, why do you think I'm not scum?

Solving question at Zack.

Now read the posts in between this post and the post where he ties the vote between Zack and Jarema.

This is villagery behavior? Or wolf howling?

You decide, I guess. I'll be dead so someone will have to follow up on it.

[Raith Kemmler]

Can we lynch Chox instead?

[Askthepizzaguy]

My conclusion is that choxorn has no process, not that he really does when he villages, but there's a huge disconnect between what a villager with no knowledge should be thinking and doing, and what choxorn is doing tying those wagons.

It's even wolfy if Zack is a villager. There's really no reason to re-tie it up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can we lynch Chox instead?

Zack's flip gives me/everyone more data. Please follow through.

Choxorn is fine to be roasted and toasted d2 if you like.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The number of villagers cleared with a Zack guilty flip was like 5 or something. Just gotta iso my posts and you'll find the post that says who is cleared and why.

Choxorn flips guilty, doesn't clear a lot of villagers, and he's in a deep enough hole he never escapes here imo. People aren't going to forget. I know I have low expectations sometimes and it's dangerous to assume villagers will follow through, but Zack flips wolf means choxorn never survives this game. And Zack villager flip, choxorn's behavior today still looks wrong enough to be a top candidate next day.

I pushed choxorn as a candidate and that's partly what outed zack assuming he is outed, because there's not a ton of process from Zack to go from null on choxorn to don't lynch him because no reasons given. This happened just before I accused Zack.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sure, I could go the irritating cheeky route, but I've already probably ticked off enough people for one game.

This is where I am at:

If Zack is scum then

GH is lock clear by votes by both parties
Johnhughthom is lock clear by his 2nd vote
Visor is lock clear for suspecting Zack early after putting him as town
I am lock clear (too bad I'm already always lock clear) for calling for his head d1 with my hard claim
My mason partner is lock clear because I must always be murdered thereby proving my claim and locking him clear.

That's five villagers lock clear and 1 dead scum.

xyz

[Raith Kemmler]

Just noticed this as I checked end of day,
@Sooh: appreciate beginning of day 1 link. Hosts who do bookkeeping make much better games to play in.

[edse]

@edse

Not that it should matter especially, but I know Zack was pushing more than one villager today and then suggested you for death when the idea was to pull off of GH and Jarema. If you're a villager this should be interesting stuff to you. You are also lock clear if Zack is scum. As such, your assistance would be appreciated. Also your post 374 looks indicative that you'd be receptive to this idea.

It could be just town-frustration, and then a vote from me would make even more frustrated. I still think Jarema is a better lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It could be just town-frustration, and then a vote from me would make even more frustrated. I still think Jarema is a better lynch.

That's fair. Thanks for responding.

I do appreciate the independent thought and action. I just would like to know where people are at and why if they're not gonan pull the trigger on Zaccacino.

[Sooh]

Vote count

AdmiralKleenex (8) - GH, askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler

GH (1) - El Barto

Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn

johnhughthom (1) - Double A

[El Barto]

Long live my ibuprofen, but I'm still in a bit of a daze. Do we have the time to change the vote to to scumxorn?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you really want to do that, then @ the following people:

Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn

And prod them to move. If sufficient people of VILLAGERY caliber move, then so I shall. since choxorn is guilty too.

Just make sure there's some follow up on Zack when chox flips w.

[El Barto]

Well, since we apparently aren't going to lynch GH or his paranoid girlfriend something-or-other-khaan, then let's try. unvote; vote: Choxorn
@edse @Punisher @seireikhaan @AdmiralKleenex @Visor @johnhughthom @Askthepizzaguy.

Back into the ibuprofenic daze for me it is.

[Zack]

Okay, I guess it's time for me to explain my thoughts on choxorn in the face of all this.

Something specific he said, after my reads list and before I gave a townread on him, made me think he might be the cop.

[Zack]

End of D1:

timer for reference

[Zack]

or Khaan has a N0 peak and used it on GH.

this is the thing, btw

afaik choxorn has never played in a game with a n0 cop peek, and I don't think he's read any MU or POG games, so I figured the reason he would use that specific term is that he's the cop and it's in his role pm.

[Zack]

xyz

this is really dumb reasoning. lynch me because you think i'm scum, not because you think the spew would be informative.

[Zack]

choxorn, I'd appreciate it if you would threaten to sub out of the game if I am lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

this is really dumb reasoning. lynch me because you think i'm scum, not because you think the spew would be informative.

I do, and said why at length in other posts.

Just because it wasnt repeated there doesn't mean I never said it.

[Zack]

Which is how he'd play as town, too, obviously.

So how does that make him scum? It doesn't, and Zack knows that he can't really be caught on day one.

lol

have fun playing with a bunch of lurkers this game, pizza. Though, that might actually give you the echo chamber you're craving this game.

I refuse to say glgl to anyone except visor and choxorn. I don't even care if they are scum, good luck to them.

[Zack]

I do, and said why at length in other posts.

Just because it wasnt repeated there doesn't mean I never said it.

I'm going to go read the skype chat where you were so enthusiastic to village together with me and cry.