Brexit Thread

[Fragony]

uhm yeah, leftist logic keeps amazing.

Anyways, we finally gotten to the bottom of it, brexit is all about Turkey and his highness in particular. finally someone who just says it

[Husar]

Rightist logic keeps amazing.

Turns out it was all lies and now they are falling apart.

[Fragony]

Turns out it was all lies and now they are falling apart.

oh, is that so

[InsaneApache]

https://dalstonmercury.wordpress.com...k-brexit-vote/

[Gilrandir]

The Science community is worried:

And what community is not?

Trying to intimidate the English just causes us to set our faces

Yep, the English are not that easy to be intimidate:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3128202.stm

[Kralizec]

Who would be surprised if David Cameron's next Career path lead to him being the next president of the EU?

Anybody with a brain would be surprised when a citizen of a non-EU country becomes "president of the EU"

Binding is an incredibly difficult word it seems

This referendum is not binding. The government certainly isn't going to ignore the result, but legally it isn't required to act on it.

What decided it for me, I think, was the German politicians talking about how it would be "hard" if we left and they're now saying we'll "suffer" so I think we'rem well shot. Trying to intimidate the English just causes us to set our faces, and the Welsh are the same. Ireland - as noted - voted along Sectarian lines but the split wasn't that clean, about 11%, the Scottish gap at 18% is more profound, but turnout there was also 6% lower.

If you're talking about Schauble (German finance minister) I think his point was that getting Britain into a similar relationship to the EU as Norway or Switzerland has would entirely defeat the point of leaving. EFTA is actually a bit of a misnomer, as it goes far beyond free trade. It includes freedom of movement and a large part, perhaps the majority, of regulations the EU has set.
Sovereignty and anti-immigration sentiment were important motivations for Brexit voters. Becoming an EFTA member goes against both, plus it actually removes the UK's say in those regulations.

If it's not Schauble, I wonder who you're thinking of, and wether or not you actually paid attention to what he or she said...instead of just going by the headlines.

If the EU is smart they'll offer the UK a deal that's better than WTO rules but not as nice as being in the EU and leave the door open for us to come back in 10 years after we've had our fill of living democratically.

Ten years seems like a fairly short time. But it could happen, and the EU could change a lot in that time - for better or worse. It seems unlikely though that the UK will get as many opt-out clauses as they currently have.

[Lizardo]

Nigel Farage has reacted with fury after Vote Leave said it would exclude him from a cross-party committee which will negotiate Britain’s exit from the European Union. The UK Independence Party leader said that he would use his position as head of the Ukip group in the European Parliament – the biggest group of British MEPs – to ensure he had a say over the terms of British breakaway from the EU. Senior Vote Leave sources on Friday made clear that Mr Farage would not be invited to join the committee negotiating the Brexit. One told The Telegraph: “Nigel Farage’s involvement has come to an end.” Mr Farage responded furiously. He said: “I just don’t understand these people – they will never give me credit for anything. "I have tried for nearly a year to work with these people and fight on a common agenda and they don’t want to know.”

Makes you wonder why they wouldn't let his campaign become official and government funded. Are we going to get a bad deal now? Because Nigel Farage is a man true to his word the higher up knew this and pre planned in the event of a brexit, I bet we are going to get stuffed I trust Nigel Farage to fight for us and the common people more than Boris and Michael Gove. Carswell and his Tory team want to keep Nigel away from negotiations where they want to avoid immigration reduction.

[Beskar]

Brexit was a flawed campaign that could have been lost if come up against someone with a good sense of public relations, bremain alas had none.

As InsaneApache puts it "Remain was led by a buttered potato".

Ashame that the Liberal Democrats were decimated last election, they would have done a really good Remain campaign, since they are the most pro-EU party. I did see a trickle of their campaigning, and it was a spirited and optimistic one. Unfortunately, it was overshadowed by a buttered potato who isn't even pro-EU.

Thing is, basically everyone campaign wise neglected my local area (except for a stall in the Town Centre led by a Libdem candidate and her daughter) which led to 70% voting out.

[Beskar]

[Husar]

oh, is that so

Yes, you could see it if you wanted to.

[Montmorency]

Yes, you could see it if you wanted to.

He could want it if you saw it.

[Montmorency]

19 weeks...


As for an exit in 2017, or 2018, or 2020, or 2030, the UK will continue to decline economically beyond the scope of its ancient regional relations, or the hourly and daily fluctuations of stock exchange figures. And for all the 'more or less', sovereignty is the thing that is affected least by the outcome. More sovereignty even in maintaining membership while illegally cherrypicking standing EU obligations to the point of sanctions.


On a side note, to truly appreciate the rhetorical work of a politician with respect to the development of policy, one must be prepared to view all people as enemies - in a Hobbesian sense.


I'm not back. Not yet.

[Greyblades]

Will you have stopped sulking in 19 weeks?

[Montmorency]

I was gone for 19 weeks. I've been sulking ever since I joined the forum.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

How is London not wanting to pay for Wales any different from Britain not wanting to pay for Poland?
Freedom for London I say!

Because, to date, London has not exercised sovereignty independently of England.

[Husar]

Because, to date, London has not exercised sovereignty independently of England.

Well, there used to be the Kingdoms of Wessex, Mercia, ....

[Fragony]

Yes, you could see it if you wanted to.

Going to go all EU-style on you and just dismiss everything you bring up even if it makes sense, and call you a hippie if I don't have an answer.

[Greyblades]

Well, there used to be the Kingdoms of Wessex, Mercia, ....

Wessex became England, and Wessex was the one that turned a large walled settlement into it's capital. Before that it was tossed around between sussex and the danes IIRC.

[edyzmedieval]

All right, so the UK voted for Brexit. 52% of voters expressed their democratic opinion to leave the European Union.

Now... well, expect Scotland to do the same. Scotland desire for independence, Northern Ireland desire for either union with Eire or secession from the UK and subsequent political movements in the European Union.

[Husar]

Going to go all EU-style on you and just dismiss everything you bring up even if it makes sense, and call you a hippie if I don't have an answer.

You're still wrong, you hippie.

Wessex became England, and Wessex was the one that turned a large walled settlement into it's capital. Before that it was tossed around between sussex and the danes IIRC.

Freedom for Sussex! Let Mercia take back control! Northumbria for Northumbrians!

[Greyblades]

I dont think there are all that many people in my area who knows that Essex used to be a kingdom either. Honestly the idea seems about as absurd as meccan independance from Arabia.

I'm still not convinced on the ireland bit.

A yes to the EU doesnt necissarily translate to a yes to independance, and the Irish dont have the same degree of pre-existing discontent that the scots have, I dare say some republicans will make the noises but unless we screw up in the near future I think it will come to nought even if scotland leaves.

[Lizardo]

And I think NI joining Ireland is a joke too. Remember there is approximately 40 percent of scottish people who do not want join the EU

[Fragony]

You're still wrong, you hippie.

You are doing it wrong, I am supposed to be the fascist in the Grand-EU Theater.

[Gilrandir]

Wessex became England, and Wessex was the one that turned a large walled settlement into it's capital.

Winchester or Camelot?

Let Mercia take back control!

They will once they choose someone named Offa for their leader.

[Husar]

I dont think there are all that many people in my area who knows that Essex used to be a kingdom either. Honestly the idea seems about as absurd as meccan independance from Arabia.

As does the idea of Britain prospering independently from the rest of Europe.
But look at the cultural differences, not only does London have a completely different culture from Wessex, they also don't speak the same language as they do in Manchester. London could take back control of its money by parting from the rest of the annoying bunch. Manchester could then raise the taxes for the rich to benefit its working class, especially because there'd be no rich people left to complain. Wessex could just bask in its nationalist glory without having to share it with others and so on.

You are doing it wrong, I am supposed to be the fascist in the Grand-EU Theater.

According to your own political theory, I can easily out-fascist you if I just move a bit to the left from a socialist position.

[Pannonian]

As does the idea of Britain prospering independently from the rest of Europe.
But look at the cultural differences, not only does London have a completely different culture from Wessex, they also don't speak the same language as they do in Manchester. London could take back control of its money by parting from the rest of the annoying bunch. Manchester could then raise the taxes for the rich to benefit its working class, especially because there'd be no rich people left to complain. Wessex could just bask in its nationalist glory without having to share it with others and so on.

It's idiots like those in Cornwall and Sunderland who deserve to be cut off. I've already cited Cornwall's gall at voting out and demanding that Westminster make up the shortfall resulting from discontinued EU subsidies. Workers at a car plant in Sunderland have also proudly voted out then complained when the company hinted that it may move its operations continent-side as a result of likely subsequent different trade conditions.

IA is right, socialism is dead. There is no reason for those who make money to subsidise those who don't. Let the west and north make of life what they will, with the profitable south east breaking off.

[InsaneApache]

Suck it up mate.

[Crandar]

Shame on the old people for hijacking the future of the educated youth!

Well she voted like seniority, but you get the picture.

[InsaneApache]

Shame on the old people for hijacking the future of the educated youth!

Well she voted like seniority, but you get the picture.

This is exactly why remain lost. The contempt and sneering against the working classes was redolent of a tory squire in the 19th century.

[Crandar]

This is exactly why remain lost. The contempt and sneering against the working classes was redolent of a tory squire in the 19th century.

Back then the offspring of the working class had to assist their parents in the coal mines, so illiteracy is excused. Nowadays, not so much.
Manicure, Miley Cyrus and facebook are not as valid as feeding your family.

So, ridiculing her for not knowing what referendum means is fine.
By the way, ignorance like that is not limited to the working class.