@Beskar
Adolf Hitler was a nationalist SOCIALIST.
Jus saying he was pretty successful.
Now that's not to say that he was to bad
you know what i'm not gonna continue with this post it'll get me banned
probably.
@Beskar
Adolf Hitler was a nationalist SOCIALIST.
Jus saying he was pretty successful.
Now that's not to say that he was to bad
you know what i'm not gonna continue with this post it'll get me banned
probably.
I have to be honest, only ignorance on the subject would be responsible for a retort like that. I will show you something.
Do you know North Korea full title is "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" - now is North Korea democratic? No it isn't. Is North Korea a republic? No, they have a monarchy. The United States, a nation built on democracy and it is a republic, are they the same as North Korea because North Korea's name? That is what you're currently arguing.
Hitler hated socialism. He was foremost a Nationalist. When he came into power, first things he did was ban the socialists from government, and sent them off to prison camps, and later exterminated them. He saw himself as an antithesis to socialism and capitalism, the "third way", and created a totalitarian regime. The reason for the name was because after WW1, there are effectively two camps, the socialists and the nationalists. His party was an 'experiment' in trying to unite two opposing factions under his banner.
On a side note: "i won't give away who I am voting for in presidental election as he is quite controversial" .. there is only 1 male candidate, Donald Trump.
Last edited by Beskar; 06-21-2016 at 14:10.
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Germany, Britain, Norway, Netherlands.
And since you mentioned Argentina, that one was ruined again by a capitalist. Are capitalists proud of kicking people who already lie on the ground?
I still think that a capitalism that is heavily restricted by socialism is probably best until we find and try a system that works better than both, but I guess the world just has to be black and white...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povert...ed_States..PNG
That was in the 50s and 60s, since then, not so much.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
Hmph Bested me there. However there was a faction running with Hitler that did interpret Socialist part of the message as literal Marxist socialism though, i think his name was Otto if i can recall correctly.
also Hey you guessed right.
didn't mean to come off angry if that's what my post relayed.
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There's world of difference between 'crony capitalism i.e corporatism and real capitalism.Also there is an issue on what you call 'capitalist' too. Since there is the corrupt hypercapitalism in places like the USA where corporates buy the government.
Argentina was at the beginning of the 20th century the equal of the USA in GDP. A few decades of socialist policies soon put an end to that caper.And since you mentioned Argentina, that one was ruined again by a capitalist
Yes I kick puppys too.Are capitalists proud of kicking people who already lie on the ground?
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
You mean just like there is a world of difference between a socialist in Germany or Britain and the leaders of the communist dictatorships that you mentioned as failures of socialism?
And then a capitalist came along and socialized his losses to bring the country to its knees once more. Maybe there is a socialist even in the biggest capitalists, just wait until they end up on a losing streak in the big lottery of capitalism and/or see an opportunity to socialize their losses. It's easy to say socialism failed due to the way humans are, but then I'd argue that capitalism devolves into corporatism all the time for the same reasons.
*puppies
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
I think this is exactly the point. We could point at extreme examples, then tar everyone with the same brush.
Does InsaneApache as a capitalist want to sell off his mother? Does Husar who believes that people should have a fair wage, want to send people off to gulags? The answer to both of these are no (I hope) and would be silly to suggest otherwise.
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Here's the video you've all been waiting for to hate it:
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John oliver is a bushist through and through,
and he thinks he can tell Americans what we "need" despite being a Brit who knows nothing of life here other than hollywood.
Now when i say bushist i mean somebody like a clinton or a Jeb bush Trumpism is the newest form of politics, well in america anyway and it seems to have destroyed bernism or well bushism beat bernism. eithey way i already saw that LWT on 8ch
The socialist theorist that I admire most is George Orwell. That's someone who formed his ideas by attempting to live the lives of the oppressed, analysing their position in relation to those who are in power, and coming up with ideas to improve lives. And not ducking any difficult questions that arise from factional politics. His socialism is non-factional, but grimy with sweat.
Wow you're really into that non existent oppression malarkey aren't you, I don't think you can conjure up the homeless of France as oppressed, Have you even read down and out in Paris and London not once did he mention the homeless as oppressed, he even mentions you become homeless due to the choices you make in life. George Orwell wasn't socialist theoreist at all he even despised socialism as a dogma a route to communism or totalitarianism, went into the Spanish Civil War as an Communist/Socialist and came home with a lot of anarchist ideals the books he wrote such as Animal Farm and 1984 will testify to that.
However George Orwell was undogmatic, and dissaproved of dogmatism in socialism.
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Thread bugged out for me unless all of page 9 is gone?
I tried that but there were no takers. Someone suggested giving her a good ironing might help.Does InsaneApache as a capitalist want to sell off his mother?
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
It got moved by Beskar to a new thread called Jo Cox.
Anjem Choudary is for Remain and you'd never guess why, the ECHR, got to admire the man's honesty.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...m-perspective/
Last edited by Lizardo; 06-21-2016 at 19:40.
A great video which draws parallels between the Roman Empire and the pelopennisian war and the ever encroaching EU army to make the case for leaving the EU
The beginnings of the EU army are here Germany assumes command of 4 Dutch Battalions aswell the EU special Taskforce which Britain Dedicates a small contigent to already. BF2 anyone
Last edited by Lizardo; 06-21-2016 at 21:55.
Concept of "United States of Europe" is not inherently a bad thing.
However, by-passing the democratic process to do it, is.
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It is however, unlike you stated by altering the quote, not displaying ignorance on the subject.
Unlike many, who either flock to 'remain' or 'leave', then demonize the otherside, I have criticized both. I find the decision to be difficult due to conflicting personal views. I have also read a lot on the subject. So trying to dismiss one of the least ignorant people on the subject as "ignorant" only reflects poorly on yourself.
Last edited by Beskar; 06-22-2016 at 02:04.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
A United States of Europe or as I like to put it the EUSSR, as an idea Is not inherently a 'bad thing' but to implement this concept would take fairly benign and sinister actions, undermining of each European Countries culture language and a lot of people would not just simply accept this it would therefore take genocide, mass killings, re-education, weakening of societal values, oppression, mass immigration etc.
All details can be found in the Kalergi Plan.
Last edited by Lizardo; 06-21-2016 at 23:18.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
I hear you, #everythingwasbetterunderCromwell :P
Honestly I am not sure if it is even all that desireable, if it wasnt for the immigration issues and the prospect of membership including those too underdeveloped or culturally incompatible for stability in the EU, this level of european integration would be a pretty comfortable status quo for us. Only problem is, even if those two issues were solved, there's still the incessant drive for further unnecissary and even detrimental integration that we seem to be becoming incapable of keeping in check.
Last edited by Greyblades; 06-22-2016 at 00:38.
The hollow men. The EU in it's current state is doomed, nobody wants it except those that do. I love simplicity as complexity is too complicated for me, and it seems pretty straightforward to me that there should be a northen-EU. maybe including Germany if the AFD can send the Merkel back to the village of her childhood to raise cows and report it to the owner of the farm if the cow do something wrong, she is perfect for the job she knows how these things work, plenty experience.
It's tragic as some eurocrats are genuinly ideologic I won't doubt their good intention.
Last edited by Fragony; 06-22-2016 at 10:38.
Out of the Orgahs who are UK citizens, who's going to the vote tomorrow?
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