But as for politics, it is ultimately the voters who decide whether a politician or a party should have the power. If you are not satisfied with any of them, you have only two choices - to abstain (until you find the one you like) or set up your own party and promote it to the top.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
As an example of this, past PMs have taken up the slack in arguing the case against a hard Brexit which the government is bent on, something which the official Opposition should have been doing as part of its job. In response, the Labour leadership has criticised Blair for sticking his oar in. There is no effective official Opposition. The Labour leadership is intent only on maintaining its control of its own party. The combination of post-truth politics and Labour's constitution means it will be able to do this without external factors (such as election results, cf. Copeland) being able to affect things.
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Beskar, what do you think of your MP's claim that the Copeland result was an "incredible result" for Labour?
Her point is valid in the context that the polls nationally put Conservatives in a significant lead over Labour, so the fact they were only 2000 votes behind, proportionally, wasn't bad. However, the fact Copeland has been Labour owned for so long, even it was rather neck-neck last election, shows that the campaigning was left to be desired considering the clusterduck which has been occurring nationally by the Conservatives.
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Also, what do you think of the assertion from Copeland campaigners that the most frequently mentioned negative that came up was Corbyn?
Reminds me of a funny conversation I had about the existential crisis this causes for many men with a friend (who is a female lawyer from the US and handles workplace harassment cases) and her response ultimately was "what did you mother teach you?"
Hold the door.
We have a "welfare" officer here but no "Equality" officer. https://www.exeterguild.org/sabbs/ One must note that the current bunch of jokers all appear to be Middle Class men, which is interesting.
Regardless, losing a seat to a sitting party that has been in government for six years and presided over cuts and a chronic deficit is an unmitigated disaster.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
It is pretty simple. You walk up to the door, you push it open, you keep your left/right hand upon it for the brief second the person behind you puts their hand on the door, and you let go. This isn't something I discriminate between the sexes other. It is simply to prevent the door slamming back into peoples faces due to fire-door suspension and similar.
I think it was my bewildered look at Cat which made her reply "Alright, I am going through, but I am opening up the next two", but it was one of a few similar experiences I have had at Lancaster University. It might have been a trend going around at the same time?
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Labour wants Labour to lose.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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"Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." -- A. de Tocqueville
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." -- J.K. Galbraith
"When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun'.” -- J. H. Marx
On the topic of the Brexit, it looks like the Nexit is not next: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/0...195346496.html
Not a final poll, but I assume we can assume that the final result will not switch their positions or so.The Netherlands' main exit poll suggests Prime Minister Mark Rutte has won the Dutch elections, easily beating anti-Islam firebrand Geert Wilders.
For the two-time Prime Minister Rutte, the poll indicated an economic recovery and his hardline handling of a diplomatic dispute with Turkey over the past week had won him support.
The Ipsos polling company gave Rutte's party 31 of the 150 seats in the lower house of parliament, compared to 19 seats for Wilders' PVV.
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"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
Wilders was doomed when every other party made a pact against him, still it didnt stop his party gaining 5 seats while the winning VVD lost 8 and Labour crashed and burned by losing 29. Puts him in the position to become leader of the opposition, or the dutch equivalent anyway.
Better hope the VVD can turn things around in it's 3+ party coalition.
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Essentially you're saying the government lost 37 seats and the vast majority of those voters did not go to Wilders, who only gained 4 seats of those 37. If we're to believe the article, the idea of Wilders even motivated a lot of people to go and vote against him. The VVD doesn't have to turn anything around as long as Wilders cannot find partners for a coalition or get 50% of the vote himself. Maybe the next government would just include the VVD as a junior partner with a completely different party taking the main stage. That party may prove itself in the upcoming coalition if they can find one.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
I do not imagine for a second that the people's distaste for wilders will outweight the dismay of the top 3-4 alternatives continuing the political direction that resulted in the gutting of the dutch labour party.
Wilders is where UKIP was in 2015, if his main appeal is not usurped by a more competent party or made irrelevant by a radical change in situation his party will keep growing until he has the majority.
A new referendum is imminent?
Can't get it to show... Ignore.
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"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney