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    I notice about myself that I'm not shocked at all. The last event that truly horrified me me was what Breivik did, that really upset me, literally felt sick and couldn't help puking, so dark. I don't get that anymore and some truly nasty things have happened, but I don't really give a shit really, I met some people who were in that plane that was shot down by whoever knows, and I don't really care. The Lion King can absolutily wreck me, much to the amusement of my friends, you can mob me up if things get sentimental. But I feel absolutily nothing anymore when I hear about the most horrifying things, not even when it's captured on a cam. I see someone who is badly hurt and will probably will soon be dead, and I just don't care. That is something that I don't like about myself, if I had any empathy whatsoever it would disgust me, and I am not a cold-hearted person, you are looking at someone who's painfully wringling in his/her own blood and organs after all, and not a fuck was given. By me at least, and that's not really how I am.


    edit: needs update, the most horrible attacks happen in the Middle-East, I don't care, I read it, next. America made a mistake and almost a hundred, forgot it the second I read it, and it must have been a nightmare for those involved. Maybe I am becomming an autist, I am used to violence that was part of tne job but it never left me careless


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    Default Re: Are you still shocked if something horrible happens

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I notice about myself that I'm not shocked at all. The last event that truly horrified me me was what Breivik did, that really upset me, literally felt sick and couldn't help puking, so dark. I don't get that anymore and some truly nasty things have happened, but I don't really give a shit really, I met some people who were in that plane that was shot down by whoever knows, and I don't really care. The Lion King can absolutily wreck me, much to the amusement of my friends, you can mob me up if things get sentimental. But I feel absolutily nothing anymore when I hear about the most horrifying things, not even when it's captured on a cam. I see someone who is badly hurt and will probably will soon be dead, and I just don't care. That is something that I don't like about myself, if I had any empathy whatsoever it would disgust me, and I am not a cold-hearted person, you are looking at someone who's painfully wringling in his/her own blood and organs after all, and not a fuck was given. By me at least, and that's not really how I am.


    edit: needs update, the most horrible attacks happen in the Middle-East, I don't care, I read it, next. America made a mistake and almost a hundred, forgot it the second I read it, and it must have been a nightmare for those involved. Maybe I am becomming an autist, I am used to violence that was part of tne job but it never left me careless


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    When another episode is reported, I still find myself angered and saddened. I must agree with you, however, that the sense of "shock" is less. It is as though a part of me is starting to view these episodes as "the cost of doing business." Of itself, this makes me a bit sadder too.
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    Depends a lot on whether I want to, i.e. how I think about it.

    If I think about it in terms of the crushed hopes and dreams of the victims, every single one of them is infinitely sad.
    When I think about it in terms of the "big picture", well, such things happen. Actually worse things happened before we even had newspapers so people would either never hear of them or months after they happened. Did the Mayas care when the Crusaders butchered people in Jerusalem? When did the average French peasant learn about it and did he even know where Jerusalem is? And why should I care so much more today? Do the Japanese even care a lot about these things today?

    If a guy in the US cares about a comparatively small suicide attack in Bavaria and a presidential candidate in the United States of America reacts to it, does that not mean that globalization has finally arrived in our minds? If a nation contains the people we consider "ours", does that not mean the entire Western hemisphere is growing into a single nation? I hope noone will explode because I just wrote that...


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    There is no distance really, I don't care about the victims of that downec plane and I (cassually) knew some. I like the Germans and the French, but current tragedies do nothing to me, I'm not even angry, and not even sad. I should be but I'm not. That could be a case for terrorism just not working but I like myself being more sensitive and considerate more, how can I be so coldhearted that I can look at terrible things without caring. I must admit that I care even less if something horrible happens in Iraq or Syria, that's not healthy really, that they are also human-beings just doesn't reach me really.

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    The fact that you ponder this gives credit to your character imo.

    I recognize a similar tendency with myself. I'm less and less shocked by the killings themselves, and more and more concerned by the frequency at which they occur. What troubles me is the subjective deterioration of the global situation. I sometimes find myself wondering how long 'til the shit hits the fan big time. Then I'm trying to explain that away because I have a weak spot for apocalyptic scenarios.

    On the other hand, it might in my case just boil down to media-induced distance. To my eye, it makes no difference if it's a movie or a news report. A run over cat by the roadside can still make me cringe.
    Apart from dead animals, I don't get to see any death or violence - I happen to live in a small peaceful town in a rural area where people value their perfect little world. Even Ansbach or Munich, which is in both cases about an hour from here, were far away and any feeling of shock that I had was gone the next day.

    So, yes I might be numb but it might just be media-numbness.

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    Just anger.
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    These days it is the political reactions to not the events themselves that set me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Just anger.
    That's at least less cynical than indifference

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    Unfortunately for the middle east I can't even say I pay attention anymore unless it's massive such as the recent attack in Kabul against the poor hazaras (which I've worked with and feel for) and that recent market place that was blown up in Baghdad.

    I have a mixture of angry, frustration, and told you so going on for a lot of the ongoing terrorism in Europe.

    For the ongoing racial tensions and shootings in the US I feel a whole bunch of anger and frustration.

    Overall I guess I'm callused but still do care.

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    I am feeling dirty by my desensitized response.

    The only benefit I see is that it makes terrorism a less viable way of making change happen if we all ignore it and go on with our lives.

    I do get angry at times and would like to wholesale blame all abrahmic religions and ban them, but I quickly get past that wishful thinking.

    Cowardly killing an 86 year old priest. One is left wondering is your religion worth it if that is what it takes? I don't care what make believe bulldust you wish to believe just keep me and mine out of it.
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    We really start to make jokes about events now... Kind of "worst target ever in France if you plan a mass massacre: A Church". "attack a pub, 100 dead, attack a church, 1: France gets its priorities right".
    Charlie, Paris, Nice, and now a 86 years old priest, with his 2 last worshippers, IS is going down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    We really start to make jokes about events now... Kind of "worst target ever in France if you plan a mass massacre: A Church". "attack a pub, 100 dead, attack a church, 1: France gets its priorities right".
    Charlie, Paris, Nice, and now a 86 years old priest, with his 2 last worshippers, IS is going down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by I of the Storm View Post

    I recognize a similar tendency with myself. I'm less and less shocked by the killings themselves, and more and more concerned by the frequency at which they occur.
    It is natural - when the same irritant keeps affecting you over and over again you get numb to it after a while.

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    What troubles me is the subjective deterioration of the global situation.
    I'm sure the same words could be ascribed to people 200 years ago, 100 years ago, 50 years ago. At every age people tend to complain about the world that is falling apart and the younger generation which is to blame in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    I'm sure the same words could be ascribed to people 200 years ago, 100 years ago, 50 years ago. At every age people tend to complain about the world that is falling apart and the younger generation which is to blame in it.
    But it's true, when I was young, the world was still in order. America was a great country that won Desert Storm, then fixed Yugoslavia once and for all. Then we had 9/11, freedom and peace for Afghanistan, the final liberation of/victory in Iraq, the arab spring freedom successes and today? Today people die in Europe. Europe was traditionally a safe continent, ever since the Roman empire it hasn't been okay to kill someone here. World peace was almost achieved in Europe and now this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    But it's true, when I was young, the world was still in order. America was a great country that won Desert Storm, then fixed Yugoslavia once and for all. Then we had 9/11, freedom and peace for Afghanistan, the final liberation of/victory in Iraq, the arab spring freedom successes and today? Today people die in Europe. Europe was traditionally a safe continent, ever since the Roman empire it hasn't been okay to kill someone here. World peace was almost achieved in Europe and now this...
    In 30 years people will have similar nostalgia for the 2016 world when things were so great.
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    "then fixed Yugoslavia once and for all." Brcko? Kosovo? Bosnia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    But it's true, when I was young, the world was still in order. America was a great country that won Desert Storm, then fixed Yugoslavia once and for all. Then we had 9/11, freedom and peace for Afghanistan, the final liberation of/victory in Iraq, the arab spring freedom successes and today? Today people die in Europe. Europe was traditionally a safe continent, ever since the Roman empire it hasn't been okay to kill someone here. World peace was almost achieved in Europe and now this...
    Kidding me, Europe is the most blood-soaked continent in the world. Europe has never been safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "then fixed Yugoslavia once and for all." Brcko? Kosovo? Bosnia?
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    Kidding me, Europe is the most blood-soaked continent in the world. Europe has never been safe

    Husar's post was more about perception, not about reality. I think so, at least.

    In my youth, the world was much more in order than it is now and today it's going down the drain. At least that's what I perceive. And I'm pretty sure that I share this with pretty much every human being that lived on this earth until today and achieved at least the middle age years.

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    Things were definitely more stable in the UK in the 1990s, with the end of the Cold War, the IRA drawing down operations, and Islamism not yet a factor. Probably the best period for the UK, stability wise, since before WWI.

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    Depends on what you define as "shocked". If you mean exaggerated wailing like some people respond with, I have never done that. If you mean surprised, then yes, some of these attacks have really surprised me in their brutality and their location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I of the Storm View Post
    Husar's post was more about perception, not about reality.
    That and dripping with sarcasm.
    I was born in 1985, how bad could (US-)politics look to me in the 1990s when my exposure mainly consisted of Hollywood movies, plastic toys and Janes' US Navy Fighters 97? I assume that only few people had a sophisticated understanding of politics between ages 5 and 15 and thought the world was fine because parents don't usually tell their kids about all the horrible things going on in the world and how many kids actually want to read the politics part of the newspaper?

    And then there is what I said earlier, media exposure. Nowadays you get to hear about every little tragedy within five minutes on Twitter, in the 90s your local newspaper wouldn't even cover it until the next day or would never cover it because it simply lacked the space. And besides, you might have read over the small announcement somewhere in a corner because you got too worked up over the headline, which was probably about the economy or so. Before the 90s that effect was even stronger, there was a 30 years war raging in Germany, how big a deal do you think this was in China? It would have taken them 30 years to even get there (Warning: exaggeration), why would they care? Nowadays I can fly to Paris in 40 minutes for 20€ (Warning: Terms and conditions apply), so I think they're my neighbors even though I'm sure I don't want to share an EU government with these smelly frog-eaters who are completely different and have nothing in common with me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    That and dripping with sarcasm.
    I was born in 1985, how bad could (US-)politics look to me in the 1990s when my exposure mainly consisted of Hollywood movies, plastic toys and Janes' US Navy Fighters 97? I assume that only few people had a sophisticated understanding of politics between ages 5 and 15 and thought the world was fine because parents don't usually tell their kids about all the horrible things going on in the world and how many kids actually want to read the politics part of the newspaper?
    There is a joke: an old man was constantly complaining how bad the life is now and how good it was in his youth. When he was asked what made him think so he said that 50 years before women were younger.
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    nvm, I'm slow I just got the joke.

    Probably because I'll still be in the game 50 years from now.
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    Irony isn't really your thing hmmmm?

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    Not since I was a child.
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    "then fixed Yugoslavia once and for all." Brcko? Kosovo? Bosnia?
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