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    Hello all,

    In short, we are going to try something new. The Backroom has always been a place which has been viewed by many of containing some of the best, and some of the worse, that the Org has to offer. There are also conflicts and differences on how the Backroom 'should be managed', with a few people advocating a rather tyrannical and punitive approach to 'offenders', and others advocating that the patrons here should self-manage their own behaviours and be treated as adults, not children. There are also moderation grey areas, which make rulings tricky too, especially when lines that are crossed are not actually against the rules.

    I thought the best way we could do this is for us to sit down in a thread like this, and work on producing something collaboratively, working together on crafting what we would like the Backroom room to be.
    To get the ball rolling, this is is an idea I came across and modified: 'Backroom Bill of Personal Rights' had to go for politics theme.


    Backroom Bill of Personal Rights.

    I have the right...

    - To express my thoughts and feelings.
    - To be free from Violence and Abuse.
    - To be treated with Respect.
    - To ask for what I want.
    - To say "No".
    - To change my mind.
    - To ask questions.
    - To hold a different opinion.
    - To ask for time to think.
    - To decide whether or not to act upon my rights.

    And so do others.

    Edit: To make it clearer, this is something more similar to the Code of Honour than explicit rules for us to abide by.
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    I don't see that it isn't the same division of scenarios for moderator responsibility: grassroots management, or moderators adjudicating what the rights mean in practice and how to deal with violations. For the latter, the standard TOS is probably more straightforward.
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    I should have the right to not have the definition of violence twisted in such a way as to provoke the moderating staff into unjustly silencing me or anyone else.

    I should have the right to not have the definition of abuse twisted in such a way as to provoke the moderating staff into unjustly silencing me or anyone else.

    I should have the right to not have the definition of respect twisted in such a way as to provoke the moderating staff into unjustly silencing me or anyone else.
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    I'm tired

    I will, for the moment, note that any and all "Bills of Rights" are abused, and further note that codifying such rights implies that certain things are rights and certain things are privileges.

    It should also be recognised that any such Bill, pledge, undertaking etc. is merely another stick which users can employs to beat each other with or force mods to adjudicate in petty disputes.

    It's actually fairly clear when people are being arseholes.

    If you can get me, Strike, Brenus, Husar and you, Besker, to agree he's an arse - he's an arse. Arses get spanked.
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    If you can get me, Strike, Brenus, Husar and you, Besker, to agree he's an arse - he's an arse. Arses get spanked.
    Do arseholes get wiped?

    Bleached?
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    Ooh, nice. And this year's Pink Pony Award for most gay thread goes to - dum dum dum dum dum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Ooh, nice. And this year's Pink Pony Award for most gay thread goes to..
    If you are feeling rather homosexual from this thread.. as they say, no smoke without fire. Go and kiss your fellow man.
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    He probably meant gay as in happy.

    I'm not entirely sure what Monty said but I think it's what I wanted to say because I'm not sure what I wanted to say either.

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    I'd say moderation is good in moderation.

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    As someone who basically been allowed to do what I please for a decade, I'm fine with the current system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar
    I'm not entirely sure what Monty said but I think it's what I wanted to say because I'm not sure what I wanted to say either.
    Good, I'm not sure what's up either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar
    I thought the best way we could do this is for us to sit down in a thread like this, and work on producing something collaboratively, working together on crafting what we would like the Backroom room to be.
    Now that everyone has collaboratively trashed Beskar's BBoR, could we collaboratively discuss a way to address the spirit of his proposal?

    Several of the comments have focused on moderation concerns, but at its heart it is really a code of conduct that each Backroom patron should live by in that forum. This is similar to our Total War multiplayer Code of Honor.

    So, how would you like to see the atmosphere in the Backroom changed? Or is it perfect as it is? (One vote already for the latter from SFTS).
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    I'd have no problems with it if we agree that it doesn't apply to Greyblades and Gilrandir. Making fun of those two is just too much... well, fun.

    That's like half fun of the Backroom, the other half being ignoring Strike's post.

    Either way, I don't see myself repenting from my wicked ways, it's much more likely that I get banned eventually. Until then, I'll be sarcastic and condescending while existing somewhere in limbo.

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    I am not sure what explicit set of rules adds. Most people most of the time manage to do OK, and the Mods sort things out.

    What happens if someone is following the rules but still manages to be a pain? Currently they'd get a clip around the ear. Would then they be able to argue that their behaviour was "in the rules", and therefore allowed.

    The Bill of Rights itself shows the limitations of something that is mostly unchanging, open to interpretation and fails to move with the time. Let's no recreate it - long live Common Law!

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    I've been slapped with about three or four "infractions" since I got here, so things are probably running as they should be.

    Someone said something a while back that explains this place - we just don't care any more. You can't control that, maybe not unless these games make a comeback because I haven't touched any of them since Shogun 2.

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    I think my wording might have been off, but it is more inline what Gregoshi is saying. It is more of a "Code of Conduct" between members rather than a explicit set of rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregoshi View Post
    Now that everyone has collaboratively trashed Beskar's BBoR, could we collaboratively discuss a way to address the spirit of his proposal?

    Several of the comments have focused on moderation concerns, but at its heart it is really a code of conduct that each Backroom patron should live by in that forum. This is similar to our Total War multiplayer Code of Honor.

    So, how would you like to see the atmosphere in the Backroom changed? Or is it perfect as it is? (One vote already for the latter from SFTS).
    In the Castro thread someone pointed out that in Banquo and Kukri's time nobody would have breached the Backroom custom of not speaking ill of the dead until the completion of funeral rights. This isn't a "quick of the Backroom", it's basic politeness, that the deceased's relatives be allowed a period to grieve before his name is dragged through the muck.

    A couple of years ago I complained that the fact that casual swearing in the Backroom cheapened it, I was told essentially that it was not a big deal and too much work to police. Conversely, I remember the first ever warning point I received from Banquo - for calling Tribesman an "Argumentative Bastard" in a not entirely unfriendly way. The note accompanying simply told me that calling someone a bastard was not helpful.

    The old mods enforced a strict code of "good manners" and "gentlemanly behaviour" which they brought over from their own upbringing and then imparted to younger members. This made the Backroom, for the most part, a safe and civil place for discussion.

    The attitude was encapsulated in the oft quoted "play the ball, not the man."

    Now those gentlemen are gone and people are asking how to do thing differently - my advice is "don't."

    If you want it encapsulated try this:

    "Be polite, courteous, and considerate, do not be pretty, rude or vindictive."

    In other words, basic courtesy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Ooh, nice. And this year's Pink Pony Award for most gay thread goes to - dum dum dum dum dum...

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    I work in higher education in the USA. This kind of comment (using one expression of sexuality as a pejorative), attached to my own name, would get me reprimanded or fired.
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    I work in higher education in the USA. This kind of comment (using one expression of sexuality as a pejorative), attached to my own name, would get me reprimanded or fired.
    I'm just waiting for my comments to bring about Armageddon.
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    I work in higher education in the USA. This kind of comment (using one expression of sexuality as a pejorative), attached to my own name, would get me reprimanded or fired.
    Says less about him and more about your field's deep infection by political correctness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    I work in higher education in the USA. This kind of comment (using one expression of sexuality as a pejorative), attached to my own name, would get me reprimanded or fired.
    He is allowed to do it by default. He enjoys playing Loki - producing exhortations from time to time. Just like in the post below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    I'd have no problems with it if we agree that it doesn't apply to Greyblades and Gilrandir. Making fun of those two is just too much... well, fun.

    That's like half fun of the Backroom, the other half being ignoring Strike's post.

    Either way, I don't see myself repenting from my wicked ways, it's much more likely that I get banned eventually. Until then, I'll be sarcastic and condescending while existing somewhere in limbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Says less about him and more about your field's deep infection by political correctness.
    And here we have a typical alt-right example of trying to justify bullying and other ways of telling people they are inferior.
    It's not just PC, it's common decency as PVC would say. And no, I don't agree with all the "PC language", I just agree that some common decency can't hurt. And when teachers make comments that suggest some of their students were inherently inferior, it may as well be enforced. Because while you my not be a special flower, there is no need to discourage you from becoming a wage slave by telling you that your sexual orientation, skin color or harmless religious convictions inherently disqualify you from working for the wealth of a rich job creator. You could even get depression and hurt yourself, or others.

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    Less respect received leads to less respect given, over the last year it's snowballed, starting with when showtime showed up.
    So it was literally Showtime.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Says less about him and more about your field's deep infection by political correctness....
    Concur. Humor at the expense of white males, preferably Catholic, is still allowed though. I am, thus, still allowed to make fun of myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    And here we have a typical alt-right example of trying to justify bullying and other ways of telling people they are inferior.
    It's not just PC, it's common decency as PVC would say. And no, I don't agree with all the "PC language", I just agree that some common decency can't hurt. And when teachers make comments that suggest some of their students were inherently inferior, it may as well be enforced. Because while you my not be a special flower, there is no need to discourage you from becoming a wage slave by telling you that your sexual orientation, skin color or harmless religious convictions inherently disqualify you from working for the wealth of a rich job creator. You could even get depression and hurt yourself, or others....
    Actually, as a lecturer in communication, virtually all of my in-class humor is directed at myself. It is sound communication practice to avoid accidentally offending one's audience and I have been following this general practice since I was first teaching (1986) even before Bloom's book was published. The basic principle you invoke, avoiding offending someone over aspects of themselves that are either beyond their control or functionally irrelevant on any meaningful level -- or both -- is valid, and I practice it fairly assiduously. On the other hand, humor based on cultural stereotypes or sexuality stereotypes isn't really allowed anymore -- even when all parties present understand it to be for the purpose of humor and based on a stereotype which has, at best, only passing relevance as a descriptor of any individual to whom that label might apply. Seems to be a bit over-the-top at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    And here we have a typical alt-right example of trying to justify bullying and other ways of telling people they are inferior.
    It's not just PC, it's common decency as PVC would say. And no, I don't agree with all the "PC language", I just agree that some common decency can't hurt. And when teachers make comments that suggest some of their students were inherently inferior, it may as well be enforced. Because while you my not be a special flower, there is no need to discourage you from becoming a wage slave by telling you that your sexual orientation, skin color or harmless religious convictions inherently disqualify you from working for the wealth of a rich job creator. You could even get depression and hurt yourself, or others.
    You are a man who frequently twists words to force the worst connotation he can come up with upon those lacking such intent and labels people things like 'Alt-Right' in order to 'other' them, and you are complaining to me about bullying behavior?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Actually, as a lecturer in communication, virtually all of my in-class humor is directed at myself. It is sound communication practice to avoid accidentally offending one's audience and I have been following this general practice since I was first teaching (1986) even before Bloom's book was published. The basic principle you invoke, avoiding offending someone over aspects of themselves that are either beyond their control of functionally irrelevant on any meaningful level -- or both -- is valid, and I practice it fairly assiduously. On the other hand, humor based on cultural stereotypes or sexuality stereotypes isn't really allowed anymore -- even when all parties present understand it to be for the purpose of humor and based on a stereotype which has, at best, only passing relevance as a descriptor of any individual to whom that label might apply. Seems to be a bit over-the-top at times.
    Not necessarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    You are a man who frequently twists words to force the worst connotation he can come up with upon those lacking such intent and labels people things like 'Alt-Right' in order to 'other' them, and you are complaining to me about bullying behavior?
    Other them?

    Ok, I take back what I said - I'm only gonna bully Gilrandir from now on. At least his lack of judgement may be explained by being personally involved, and there's a chance there's an intelligent person underneath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Actually, as a lecturer in communication, virtually all of my in-class humor is directed at myself. It is sound communication practice to avoid accidentally offending one's audience and I have been following this general practice since I was first teaching (1986) even before Bloom's book was published. The basic principle you invoke, avoiding offending someone over aspects of themselves that are either beyond their control of functionally irrelevant on any meaningful level -- or both -- is valid, and I practice it fairly assiduously. On the other hand, humor based on cultural stereotypes or sexuality stereotypes isn't really allowed anymore -- even when all parties present understand it to be for the purpose of humor and based on a stereotype which has, at best, only passing relevance as a descriptor of any individual to whom that label might apply. Seems to be a bit over-the-top at times.
    I find it is usually acceptable when everyone involved is in on the joke, but depending on the environment, things may differ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    You are a man who frequently twists words to force the worst connotation he can come up with upon those lacking such intent and labels people things like 'Alt-Right' in order to 'other' them, and you are complaining to me about bullying behavior?
    Almost everything you champion here, like men's rights, demonisation of feminism, anti-PC and so on is part of the textbook definition of political stances of the alt-right. Even that shady complaint after your attempt to 'other' all the PC-folk is typical for the alt-right.

    I really don't think I'm releasing your big secret here. That I don't like the alt-right or your recent political convictions is hardly a secret either.
    And every Sauron of Akkad (-approved) video you post only makes it worse.

    By the way, I reported the last one due to excessive use of f-bombs in it, but apparently noone has gotten around to deleting it. It offends my PC-sensibilities (and the forum rules).
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    I wasn't even alive in 1986
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    So I'm gathering from the last dozen or so posts that the general consensus is that everyone loves the status quo for the Backr... - oh, look! A squirrel!

    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    In the Castro thread someone pointed out that in Banquo and Kukri's time nobody would have breached the Backroom custom of not speaking ill of the dead until the completion of funeral rights...

    A couple of years ago I complained that the fact that casual swearing in the Backroom cheapened it...

    The old mods enforced a strict code of "good manners" and "gentlemanly behaviour" which they brought over from their own upbringing and then imparted to younger members. This made the Backroom, for the most part, a safe and civil place for discussion.

    The attitude was encapsulated in the oft quoted "play the ball, not the man."

    Now those gentlemen are gone and people are asking how to do thing differently - my advice is "don't."

    If you want it encapsulated try this:

    "Be polite, courteous, and considerate, do not be pretty, rude or vindictive."

    In other words, basic courtesy.
    Nicely put summary of your thoughts. Thank you PFH.
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