Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

Rereading El Barto, I'm content with my vote.

Defence by meta doesn't wash.

Need to see some actual townie intent, beyond the self preservation.

[Renata]

Visor is one that scares me too. So is Zack. I'm trying hard not to let fear get in the way of reads/logical play though, and I don't think it should have much place on D1?

On the other side of Visor, he can be an amazing asset if Town and he's come out YOLO and guns blazing and is questioning/probing/giving opinions on a wide range of players, which I lean Town for now.

He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.

Jabbz is much in the same boat. I liked the confident way he handled the pressure from Zack's attacks on his case, and that he a) went back and reconsidered what Zack countered with and b) returned with a reason I could follow for the confusion he said he had.

On the flip side, I've questioned him a fair bit and I still feel uneasy about his early votes combined with the 'I'm lost' rhetoric/am waiting for replies/more content to give me a chance at a better lean.

What specifically don't you like about his replies?

Nothing in particular that I don't like, but nothing that strikes me as towny in a way to counteract my first impression, either. You're giving him points for reconsidering his comments in light of Zack's correction, but what is a scum Jabbz supposed to do there? Argue? Zack was clearly correct on the merits, it wasn't even debatable. And it wasn't like it was a discussion over reads or anything either, it was just a misinterpretation of early comments. I'd think it would not be difficult for a scum Jabbz to give in gracefully.

What do you make of each of those players themselves?

Winston -- town
You -- town, with reservations

I don't remember who the third person was.

[Visor]

renata how do you feel on me

ignore 'scary'

town/wolf?

[atheotes]

Idk. The wall GH posted at the start of the game was something he prepared in advance as per the sign ups, so reading into that and the votes he did shortly after seems reaching to me. It's different if he doesn't substantiate his votes more or change them though.

yes..the eulogy(?) was not game related.(it was good, GH ) i was judging his votes only based on his posts.

Idk. OPs don't really give any clues.

Fishing attempt noted though :P

fishing? i was questioning if Monty was showing TMI!!!

[Visor]

He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.

i stated my position

give me rep.

tell me, town/wolf

[Renata]

renata how do you feel on me

ignore 'scary'

town/wolf?

If you put a gun to my head, I'd say town. I don't want to get pocketed again.

[Renata]

Quick read on atheotes, Visor. And El Barto I guess, anyone else who's shown up more recently.

[Cass_]

He mentioned NKs twice in ways I don't understand, seemed to be suggesting there's something different about them this game than usual. I haven't figured it out.

Removing 'strange' from the assessment of Renata's original comment. Just went through Monty's ISO and he does mention NK's twice (I had it in my head it was once, didn't pay enough attention to that part of #87). Can't figure it out either.

[atheotes]

I'm going to say it one more time. My criteria for voting someone for representative was, primarily, to put someone in there I thought I would be able to read, if they were town. Dp fits that criteria better than anyone else in my group, so I voted for him. He has since posted in ways that make me comfortable with that choice as being someone who actually is town. Do you get it now?

its the way you phrased it. I read it as "being able to read AND being your town read", which was not possible when you voted. Its something that pinged me. I was hoping to get a second opinion. Nothing more for you to explain on this. I will just keep you in my suspect list for now

[Winston Hughes]

Dp101 with his standard townie look.

I'm seeing some hints of greater confidence here, which is something I'd expect from Dp as scum. Could just as easily be progress in his town game, though.

[Cass_]

Rereading El Barto, I'm content with my vote.

Defence by meta doesn't wash.

Need to see some actual townie intent, beyond the self preservation.

Does El Barto ever deliver Townie intent? I've seen him focus on self-pres in both alignments.

[Renata]

Removing 'strange' from the assessment of Renata's original comment. Just went through Monty's ISO and he does mention NK's twice (I had it in my head it was once, didn't pay enough attention to that part of #87). Can't figure it out either.

vote: Cass_

Reservations are silly.

[Visor]

El Barto wolfy

Atheotes null at the moment

Maybe light town but it's very light

[Renata]

Danke.

[Winston Hughes]

Does El Barto ever deliver Townie intent? I've seen him focus on self-pres in both alignments.

He can do townie intent.

Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Morning all.

Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?

Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.

DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.

Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.

The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.

[atheotes]

Hi Jabbz! vote: Jabbz

For an innocuous "here's the state of the game, yup" intro.

i like this because its what i thought about the post

i want to give him some time though, see where he goes from there yet

could just be a style clash

This is a fundamental problem for me! I read Jabbz post and thought "his thinking is similar to mine - must be town!"
Yet, you guys think the exact opposite. explains why people find me wolfy all the time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.

This is the kind of reaction/defense post I don't like.

Vote: Sooh

[Cass_]

He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.



Nothing in particular that I don't like, but nothing that strikes me as towny in a way to counteract my first impression, either. You're giving him points for reconsidering his comments in light of Zack's correction, but what is a scum Jabbz supposed to do there? Argue? Zack was clearly correct on the merits, it wasn't even debatable. And it wasn't like it was a discussion over reads or anything either, it was just a misinterpretation of early comments. I'd think it would not be difficult for a scum Jabbz to give in gracefully.




Winston -- town
You -- town, with reservations

I don't remember who the third person was.

Checking Visor ISO, after Monty starts at him, he mentions/comments on posts from you, Jabbz, Dp101 and GH, votes Sooh and gives lists of his leans/thoughts in a couple of places. I don't have Sooh in my personal vote-for-lynch range but I can follow everything else.

Wrt Jabbz, I don't disagree with anything you say there, at all, and will be factoring that in down the line. I don't really think it's worth going around in circles on, first read-through it and tone seemed Towny, other things were null to possi-scum and he could still go either way /shrug.

Also, lol at the 'with reservations' since it gets under my skin in the way you mentioned previously.

[Monstrdude]

Holy jeez sorry guys it's been a hectic couple days

Just woke up gonna do morning things then post stuff that actually matters

HI I'm monstrman for those who haven't met me

[Sooh]

fishing? i was questioning if Monty was showing TMI!!!

How is that ever TMI? Might just as well be a claim for all I know.

[Sooh]

Removing 'strange' from the assessment of Renata's original comment. Just went through Monty's ISO and he does mention NK's twice (I had it in my head it was once, didn't pay enough attention to that part of #87). Can't figure it out either.

Apart from the obvious "night kills inform town who the scums are afraid of" I don't know either.

[Sooh]

This is the kind of reaction/defense post I don't like.

Vote: Sooh

I love you too, GH.

[Sooh]

Holy jeez sorry guys it's been a hectic couple days

Just woke up gonna do morning things then post stuff that actually matters

HI I'm monstrman for those who haven't met me

Monstrman, pls be town and be my friend <3

[Csargo]

Vote: Montmorency

Vote: Winston Hughes

Vote: Sooh

[Cass_]

vote: Cass_

Reservations are silly.

My play is silly sometimes. Reservations are understandable.
So much for me ever getting sleep this game

He can do townie intent.

Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.

This is harrowing, since I assume it means he's also regularly an easy mislynch?

[v]El Barto[/v] until he steps it up/someone else is more clearly scum.

[Cass_]

Morning all.

Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?

Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.

DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.

Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.

The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.

The 'one or two others' that would be in scumleans for discussing mechanics at that point would include Dp101, who you separate from that list and say looks good.

I've done more than just talk mechanics, don't like that that gets ignored.

Do you have a current read of Zack's play, or are you simply going with the intro post?

[Cass_]

Vote: Name until he steps it up/someone else is more clearly scum.

EBWOP

[Cass_]

Aaaaaaaaaaaand it's way past time for sleep.

Vote: El Barto
For the same reasons I voted him, and Name, before.

Will catch up and try to be coherent tomorrow after sleep.


Also.

Monstrrrrrrrrrrbroooooo! <3

[Renata]

Morning all.

Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?

Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.

DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.

Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.

The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.

I'm not sure I like this post. The first couple of reads are awfully general (who even are those who should be given town credit for wanting to stop mechanical discussion, GH? Why do you think that's such a difficult thing to do as scum, to look townie?) and at odds with a post that otherwise shows recognition of specific things that happened (like Winston's post about dp). I know this isn't exactly a drop-dead scum tell after misreading Khaan last game in part over something similar, but rightly or wrongly, I expect a little more sharpness and genuine feeling from you.