My condolences to the families and loved ones of the victims. There is endless supply of lunatics as long as there will be humans around, but there is no reason to submit to fear because of them.
My condolences to the families and loved ones of the victims. There is endless supply of lunatics as long as there will be humans around, but there is no reason to submit to fear because of them.
Last edited by Kagemusha; 12-21-2016 at 01:16.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
I am convinced by Greyblades map, it is rather compelling and does contain lots of nice colours, it has links and everything.
Though I am slightly confused as to why such things as a chip pan catching fire are included in the seeminlgy random "crime" "statistics".
I say random , though of course it is not random , someone appears to have just trawled the newspapers, twitter and facebook, found anything with foriegners in Germany mentioned and added it to a list of "crimes"
You invited people to trawl through your "evidence".
Are you not happy if they do so?
Maybe I just got lucky, after all it was just the third coloured symbol I tried that returned the unattended chip pan story.
But since you invited people to berify your "facts" might I ask if you verified any of them at all yourself, or did you just accept the link as you had already "nailed your colours" and didn't feel the neded to check your facts even after others had already challenged the accuracy of your claim.
Which on the face of it after the briefest perusal does clearly look like a undeniably false claim.
As for me linking anything? Its your link, you invited people to verify your link, you posted it, didn't you verify it yourself first?
Its in your link
Do you always just call people names?
nice welcome
Krumbach (Swabia) 7/6/16 incident reported that tuesday at 19:28.
And the evil foriegners tried to put the chip pan out with a powder extinguisher, which is the correct one to use isn't it if it isn't a fire blanket you are using.
Nasty evil criminal foriegners (or is it just a hoax link you posted?)
http://https://www.bsaktuell.de/40328/kreis-guenzburg-3-verletzte-bei-feuer-in-asylbewerberunterkunft/#
So are you still wishing to defend your made up statistics?
Last edited by Smiler; 12-21-2016 at 03:28.
Improper disposal of wood ash, nasty stuff.
Naked man found bleeding , two morroccan "suspects" reported at scene, turns out they was trying to stop the drunk/drugged individual who was slashing himself with a bottle.
evil foriegners , great link greyblades, did you read any of it at all?
Or more impirtantly did the people who made the link read anything apart from "foriegners"?
You do know how unreasonable it is to expect me to verify every single one in this 10,000+ collection of cases right?
At this point I can easily write them off as mistakes, an issue of human error (assuming this isnt computer gathered, which I suspect) in catagories that can be ambiguous between designation and intent, rather insignificant in the deluge of legitimate cases. Find me something fraudulent six post troll, before implying fraud and this time dont waste my time searching.
Also learn to edit.
Last edited by Greyblades; 12-21-2016 at 04:01.
More name calling I see.
If it is unreasonable for you to verify your "facts" why are you telling others to verify them?
More importantly why are you getting so aggressive when they do verify your "facts" and so easily show them to be false?
Perhaps the problem lies in you swallowing "data" from a link based on your preconcieved views rather than the real information your link contains.
How on earth can you possibly claim that there is a "deluge of legitimate cases" in that link when you appear to not have the faintest idea what your link actually contains?
The problem here is that I didn't put any big effort into it given that your "source" is rubbish anyway. If you post a racist Facebook group as a source, I response with the first thing I find. The "islamic" source just gave me Troll-happiness because I expected you to hate it. I'll drop as many balls for you as you want until you pick one up in the first place.
On that note, you seem to have conveniently overlooked the quote from The Local, where the head of our police union says Facebook "statistics" are misleading and basically agrees with Seamus and me. You may call him biased, but then you also can't trust the BKA statistics most likely and are left with nothing concrete either way...
You complained that I was defending that, what about this have I defended?
You literally said I defended some people to the hilt, now you say I attacked others, make up your mind.
What exactly do you mean by "unfailingly attacked"? I have several times agreed with Fragony and even with you in my last reply to you.
I attack people who want to throw our values overboard and think walled settlements are the best thing ever instead of working for more equality around the globe.
*are you
Yes.
No, it does not support your point at all.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Blood and steel rhetoric, so cute. Who are "my people"?
Even more medieval now, how about we return to caveman politics or just let single cell organisms rule the planet again?
There are plenty of other reasons nations may not want them. I'm pretty sure if Qatar wanted them, they'd have said so already.
As for "dumping them in Somalia", that just makes innocent Somalians bleed more, are they worth less than innocent Germans?
We are updating our laws, that's what "work in progress" implies.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
So what about the ones I found in Saxony without even trying hard? Your Facebook map is simply pointless because to make sure it can be used for anything, one would indeed have to check all the individual links given that "mistakes" can be found by just checking three random links...
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
I reciprocate respect, guess how much respect I get from you.More name calling I see.
If it is unreasonable for you to verify your "facts" why are you telling others to verify them?
More importantly why are you getting so aggressive when they do verify your "facts" and so easily show them to be false?
Perhaps the problem lies in you swallowing "data" from a link based on your preconcieved views rather than the real information your link contains.
How on earth can you possibly claim that there is a "deluge of legitimate cases" in that link when you appear to not have the faintest idea what your link actually contains?
On the subject of verification I have been burned enough times on this forum to not use sources without at least making sure it is at least helping my claim not hurting it; I looked through enough to know it wasnt complete bull spit. Having something resembling a life I didnt dedicate my next few months using google translate to check each and every one.
As for aggression, pot meet kettle and no they dont easily show them to be false, I used to have the rug pulled out from under me frequently years ago, but the good debators have slowly bled away from the site and I have gotten better at not making your level of newbie mistakes.
Mistake one: cherry picking; looking for the smallest error and presenting it as disproving the entire thesis.
Well , I suppose William had his admirers.Even more medieval now, how about we return to caveman politics or just let single cell organisms rule the planet again?
Take the French religious chap who did his biography as an example.
I wonder what he said about William sorting out the trouble.
To his shame, William made no effort to control his fury, punishing the innocent with the guilty.
He ordered that crops and herds, tools and food be burned to ashes.
More than 100,000 people perished of starvation.
I have often praised William in this book, but I can say nothing good about this brutal slaughter.
God will punish him
So Greyblades advocates what William did as a solution.
Thats called Genocide, it is a final solution I suppose.
Reciprocate respect?
Link me the chip pan fire or I call you a three post troll.
Mistake one?
Supporting documentation must support a thesis, if it doesn't support the thesis it should be avoided at all costs. putting fake documentation in a thesis and using it as the basis for the arguement being put forward will only earn you a fail.
Your mistake wasEach comes with a link to a crime, you can go through them yourself and verify
Is that what you would call a "newbie mistake" which a good debator would frequently pull the rug from under you with ?
Last edited by Smiler; 12-21-2016 at 04:57.
Ok, I go to the map again: "Wächtersbach: Südländer überfällt Bäckerei mit Schußwaffe und erbeutet Geld"
Links to this: http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/43561/3256629
In the text it says he spoke German without an accent but looked like a "southerner".
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Next one, same screen: "Hünfelden: Südländer lenkt in Postfiliale Mitarbeiterin ab, während Komplizin Geld stiehlt
Links to this: http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/50153/3330615
Again, the article mentions that the trick thief spoke German without accent and looked like a "southerner".
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Maybe, the orange ones are just the wrong color to pick...
A blue one from somehwere in the north-east: "Baek: Afghane tickt zweimal an einem Tag aus, geht auf Leute los, landet stationär im Krankenhaus"
Links to this: http://www.maz-online.de/Lokales/Pri...ger-geschnappt
The article describes the action a bit more nuanced than the caption on the map. The Afghan man got into a fight with a Syrian and was hospitalized the first time around. Later he met him again and attacked him with a Shisha when a German woman got involved and got light cuts on her hand. The Afghan man was then brought to the hospital and lept there now because he seemed confused. Your map "abbreviates" this as "Afghan man loses it twice a day, attacks people, ends up in stationary hospital care". The actual article does not mention who or what started the first fight or whether this was in any way a criminal act worse than a bar brawl.
By the way, does a Syrian getting beaten by an Afghan count as "my people bleeding"? I know the German woman got light cuts, I'm curious about the Syrian.
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Oh, look a green one, this is terrible: Anklam: "Migrant dreht im Aldi durch, geht mit abgeschlagener Glasflasche auf Kunden los"
Translation of the caption: "Migrant goes crazy in ALDI [supermarket], attacks customers with broken glass bottle"
Links to this: http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/108768/3260880
Link describes indeed that the man was Afghan and somehow started a fight with a 30 year-old customer in the supermarket. He even tried to hit the man with said bottle but failed to hit him at all. He was then subdued by two other men as he was cutting his own belly and chest with the bottle and was found to have a blood alcohol of 1.92 per mill...
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I can totally see your point based on your totally legit and terrifying examples. You have to give them though that they learned to speak German without accent really fast... And no, I honestly didn't even skip any, these are the ones I clicked in the order in which I clicked them.
Verifying your terrible map seems harder than one would think with all the "overwhelming evidence" of all the terrible crimes these people commit...
Last edited by Husar; 12-21-2016 at 05:46.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
Greyblades usually has no idea what he's talking about. No need to berate him about that. It's his right to be ignorant and biased.
Dear Girlandir, the AfD had around 13% support in a poll from December 8th. Surely the poll could be inaccurate, but as long as they don't magically gain another 37% until the election, I'm not too worried about them. You can see the poll results in these images: http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/...c22ab4ee3.html
First one is approval rating of individual politicians, note Merkel at 57% with a +5 change compared to November.
Second image is "what if you voted for a party today?".
Of course I'm curious about the upcoming January results, but it seems Germans are more resilient to the likes of the AfD than several neighboring countries nowadays...
There are also new news on the attack, the police has a website where people can send images and video from the incident and surroundings to help the police find the perpetrator(s). Someone performed a DDoS attack on that website using a large botnet and managed to keep it offline for two hours.
Police are now also looking for a Tunisian man, whose papers they found in the cabin of the truck: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...asylum-seeker/
Further reading on Süddeutsche Zeitung reveals a bit more about the new suspect: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/a...ssen-1.3302499The new suspect wanted by police entered Germany as an asylum-seeker in April this year, according to Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.
The Tunisian, who has been named as Anis A, was already considered a threat by German intelligence, the newspaper reports.
Other newspapers, including Der Spiegel and Bild, have also named the suspect as Anis A.
Anis A allegedly had contacts with the network of an extremist Muslim preacher who was recently arrrested.
He travelled to Italy in 2012 and then came to Germany in July 2015. Since April 2016 he has the status "tolerated" here. In August he was arrested by police in Friedrichshafen with a fake Italian passport. German intelligence pegged him as a terror threat due to his being a follower of the hate preacher Abu Walaa (the "faceless preacher") who was arrested in November. This and the fact that Nizza was also a truck attack carried out by a Tunisian (same terror group affiliation?) could hint at them having the right suspect this time.
Further the article mentions that he once asked someone whether they could get him a gun and police were monitoring his telecommunication. A police source said they're unclear so far about how he could escape police surveillance, but I personally wouldn't be surprised if it is revealed to be a lack of resources/manpower.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
Children,children.. Was there not a topic not long a go about mutual respect and attacking the argument and not the person...
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
What are the pictures to signify? Christmas spirit or an attempt at mocking? In any case you got the spelling and etymology of my "name" wrong, Gooser.
Haha, no, sorry, I spelled it that way on purpose because other people do it all the time. And since that spelling reminds me of the German word "Girlande", I added pictures of Girlanden to it.
To answer your question, Christmas Spirit.
I was actually hoping you'd find some useful information in that post, there wasn't even any need or reason to mock you.
Last edited by Husar; 12-21-2016 at 16:11.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
My intent was more derived from just having completed another section of research methods. Far too many statistics are presented without a point of comparison or the appropriate statistical confirmation. One of my pet peeves about the mis-use of research. By the way, your discussion of the numbers and potential strengths/weaknesses thereof which you posted in this post were a much stronger presentation and a clearer statement of your points. All-in-all, I thought this post explained your concerns and perspective much more clearly and effectively that the earlier ones.
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More new novelty news from the interior minister of Northrhine-Westfalia: https://www.facebook.com/tagesschau/...82330781332712
The asylum request of the suspect was denied by the authorities in June, he was placed in the deportation program but could not be deported because he had no valid papers. The process to get him a replacement passport was initiated by German authorities in August, but Tunisia denied his citizenship at first and did not send any new papers. The papers actually arrived today... (he says he won't comment that)
He also mentions that the guilt of the guy is not proven yet, they only found his papers under the driver's seat (one may wonder why they only found them there two days after the attack, but then again I'm not that familiar with police procedures). Oh and that an investigation into the guy for being a terror threat was already under way with the state attourney or so of Berlin.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
There are a few situations where a Pakistani man can legitimately claim asylum elsewhere (people who've been accused of blasphemy stand a good chance of getting lynched, for example) but I imagine that most of them are fake. Just like the ones from Morocco or Algeria.
The proper term should be 'asylum seeker/applicant'.
I think the Mirror is poor quality, like Daily Mail, The Sun, and so on, but I have to admit, this 'article' amused me a little when talking about the false hyperboles surrounding the Lorry driver which I have seen expressed in a few places.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ice=responsive
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http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12...s-facing-west/
Just a counter to the above article posted by Beskar. I'll let you lot judge.
Hells Bells talk about useful idiots!Which means that a stabbed and heavily-bleeding man awoke from unconsciousness to realise his attacker was about to mow down pedestrians. He may have grabbed the wheel or punched the hijacker, but his actions caused the lorry to veer away from other shoppers and come to a halt. Lukasz was 6ft 2ins and weighed 18 stone, and despite his injuries he put up an heroic fight.
Last edited by InsaneApache; 12-23-2016 at 05:56.
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