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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38883556

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkis...ferendum,_2017

    Turkey is going to hold a Referendum in April on whether to abolish the post of Prime Minister and transfer executive functions to the President. Parliament will also lose a lot of its ability to scrutinise the executive, conduct enquiries, that sort of thing.

    Now the question, really, is whether the military saw this coming and dried to stop it or if they helped it along with the attempted coup.

    Regardless, Turkey is now in great danger of falling into the trap of being "just another" Middle Eastern tin-pot Republic like Egypt.
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    We can now add Attaturk's coffin to the list of sources of clean rotational energy.
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    This is what brain drain gets you.
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    To be honest, from I know of Ataturk's constitutional system, it was inherently reliant on a military ready to perform coups ('for the people') to restore the government to its original state. This is not the most well thought out structure for several reasons...
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    To be honest, from I know of Ataturk's constitutional system, it was inherently reliant on a military ready to perform coups ('for the people') to restore the government to its original state. This is not the most well thought out structure for several reasons...
    One can only do what one can with what one has. The region has a strong tendency towards religious nutterism. The most "western" state in the region, Israel, is only so because of continued efforts by liberals and socialists. And even they have to pander to the religious nutters to some extent.

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    If they keep killing each other over there, hopefully they'll forget about is over here.

    Most states in the Middle East have boundaries that make little sense from our "Western" standpoint of self determination (or most of the time, our populace is to apathetic to try to gain freedom - barring Catalonia) and are glued together by violence and the threat of more violence.

    In such environments people seem to tend to turn to strong (generally) men to Sort Things Out.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    our populace is to apathetic to try to gain freedom - barring Catalonia
    ... and Scotland.

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    Scotland got a vote. They voted no. Seems they'd like to stay in and continue to whine rather than be independent and deal with the world.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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    Plus Scotland hasnt waged a terror campaign in the last 50 years.
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    Wales has, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Plus Scotland hasnt waged a terror campaign in the last 50 years.
    Have Catalonian exiters had? You mix them up with the Basques.

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    Maybe I should have qualified it as competent terror campaigns.

    Scottish nationalist actions have a habit of turning into laurel and hardy routines, see the theft of the stone of scone.
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    Well, the group was established less than 40 years ago and it dissolved more than 20 years ago, so I don't understand how it has been waging a terror campaign for the last 50 years.

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    I said In the last 50 years. not for.
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    "If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."


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