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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Anything that shows the West to be unsupportive of Turkish "Honor," can be spun to enhance Erdogan's position internally. No tactical win is necessary. The "strangers don't like and respect us" card has been a political staple since Sargon, if not earlier.

    After the failed coup, I pretty well wrote Turkey off as a "Western" nation, at least for the time being. I don't think they will go full Sharia and discard parliamentary governance entirely, but they will trend that way a good bit for some time. Interesting to see if they will stay NATO with all of this...but I have my doubts as NATO is conflated with "America's lackies" in too many Arab/Islamic minds.
    Pretty much.

    Turkey's president may not be clever, but he is cunning. All that matters right now is winning this Referendum, he calculates he can repair most of this damage afterwards, I wager.

    He may be in for some disappointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    After the failed coup, I pretty well wrote Turkey off as a "Western" nation, at least for the time being. I don't think they will go full Sharia and discard parliamentary governance entirely, but they will trend that way a good bit for some time. Interesting to see if they will stay NATO with all of this...but I have my doubts as NATO is conflated with "America's lackies" in too many Arab/Islamic minds.
    I got to admit, LEN was the one who advocated that position that they weren't since I joined the Org, so my opinion was influenced by him and formed my political opinion as he is the resident Turk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post

    Turkey's president may not be clever, but he is cunning. All that matters right now is winning this Referendum, he calculates he can repair most of this damage afterwards, I wager.
    When he sees it expedient he can alwasys reverse his judgements and actions. The way he did with Russia and the plane Turks brought down in Syria.

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    lol ok mr Erdogan you are absolutily right, the Dutch are nazi's who killed 8000 muslims in Sebrenica.

    3x50mg Oxazepam dailly I'd say

    Nothing like a good diplomatic dispute with a grandeurish Turk

    edit, you couldn't make it up, we didn't just kill them we also sold their organs according to Turkey. Do they really WANT to look like idiots. Turkey understands propaganda, everybody ought to know it's nonsense, propaganda is disempowerment, you know it's nonsense but you can do nothing about it. Even North-Koreans understand that their great leader didn't strike a hole in one the first time he tried golf and that he couldn't drive a car when he was 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    3x50mg Oxazepam dailly I'd say
    Not sure why you identified that drug. Wouldn't Haloperidol be a better choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Not sure why you identified that drug. Wouldn't Haloperidol be a better choice?
    Sure is funnier to say
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post

    He may be in for some disappointment.
    I sincerely doubt that. Turkey's too important for NATO, so he just needs to refrain from doing something incredibly stupid, like starting an all out unprovoked war. Unless he manages to alienate NATO, Russia and the Middle East at the same time, he's pretty much sultan for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    This brings up the question of why there are so many unassimilated turks in one dutch city.
    The obvious explanation is that the Turkish government encouraged them to protest, and that they're not only from Rotterdam.

    But there's more to it, of course. In the sixties through the seventies, the Dutch government tended to accomodate Turkish organisations (meaning with roots in Turkey itself) who wanted to operate here. This includes islamic istitutions who wanted to build mosques for migrants, but also some nationalist clubs.

    Mostly this was due to naive optimism about integration, thinking that those organisations could help. The result is mixed at best, since those organisations also fostered bonds with Turkey. Partly, it also because many people expected that the Turkish migrants would one day pack up and return to Turkey.

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    Sums it up.

    But all this is getting even funnier, Norway supposedly wants to give Gülen-supporters (that means everybody who is again the neo-sultan) political asylum. Hell hath no fury like a Turk feeling dishonored so we are going to hear some wild things from that supermarketfloorrolltoddler
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