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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I think the best outcome we can reasonably hope for is that the chinese say "fuck it, he's gone too far" and pull the plug; end the kim bloodline, let the korean brass dissapear into an mongolian gulag and turn the ruins into yet another Chinese province.
    This would not be the best outcome for the people of North Korea. One Korea, run by Koreans using the basic framework of governance now used in the South would be best.

    I do acknowledge, however, that Chinese domination would provide a more stable government for them, and one that is at least vaguely concerned with feeding its own people and allowing them something resembling opportunity.
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    It's the best we can reasonably expect without somehow getting the chinese to ignore the USA liberating a nation right on ther doorstep, which vietnam somewhat indicated would never ever happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    It's the best we can reasonably expect without somehow getting the chinese to ignore the USA liberating a nation right on ther doorstep, which vietnam somewhat indicated would never ever happen.
    No, they wouldn't stand for the US liberating NK, nor Japan. An "Anschluss" with SK, maybe, as long as SK made the Yalu valley into some form of DMZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    No, they wouldn't stand for the US liberating NK, nor Japan. An "Anschluss" with SK, maybe, as long as SK made the Yalu valley into some form of DMZ.
    They could be comfortable if two points could be secured:

    1. No US forces or installations north of the old DMZ.
    2. General drawdown of US military presence in Korea given expiration of overt security justification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    They could be comfortable if two points could be secured:

    1. No US forces or installations north of the old DMZ.
    2. General drawdown of US military presence in Korea given expiration of overt security justification.
    More or less what I meant. They will not feel threatened by a unified Korea, especially one that abjured WMD. US or other Western forces would be a different matter. Post Napoleonic to Pre-WW2 Chinese history does not leave them predisposed to allow the Western powers anything resembling a foothold so close to the Middle Kingdom.
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    Eastern-Germany solution for North Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    More or less what I meant. They will not feel threatened by a unified Korea, especially one that abjured WMD. US or other Western forces would be a different matter. Post Napoleonic to Pre-WW2 Chinese history does not leave them predisposed to allow the Western powers anything resembling a foothold so close to the Middle Kingdom.
    I dont believe that the chinese would be happy without any control over a potential unified korea, they would need some collateral to ensure the US or korea would not go back on any deals, promieses wont cut it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I dont believe that the chinese would be happy without any control over a potential unified korea, they would need some collateral to ensure the US or korea would not go back on any deals, promieses wont cut it.
    Closed bases might count towards that. Harder to put troops back after they're out.
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    Closed bases might count towards that. Harder to put troops back after they're out.
    Is China worried about the number of US solders or the deployment of advanced weapons systems? The addition of North Korea allows better coverage of activity from China's northern provinces.
    Even without a single US troop in Korea, they can still sell THAAD components to the South Korean military.
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    Is China worried about the number of US solders or the deployment of advanced weapons systems? The addition of North Korea allows better coverage of activity from China's northern provinces.
    Even without a single US troop in Korea, they can still sell THAAD components to the South Korean military.
    Sure, that's a kicker without even having US-operated installations in the North, or even throughout the country.

    On the other hand, with the 'sole aggressor' disarmed, it is much easier for China to pressure Korea against it. Think, if they raise a Crimea-tier fuss over installations near Seoul while KJU is on the cusp of demonstrating a proper capability, can ROK politicians justify it to their citizens and corporate stakeholders when North Korea is no more and money needs to be funneled there for reconstruction anyway?
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    Question is if china can out pressure the US's influence. I dont think china would take the chance.
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    Eastern-Germany solution for North Korea.
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    What's different from this incident is that Kim Jong-un angered China and Malaysia. Both are reacting strongly against him. And from the looks of it, it's possible that Vietnam and Indonesia could get angered. I'm beginning to think that the North Korean agents tricked a Vietnamese girl and an Indonesian one into doing this. I don't know if you guys saw the news on what Malaysia will do to them. (I understand why the Malaysians would be angered about the VX attack in their airport). North Korea will get even more isolated than ever before.
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    Sure, that's a kicker without even having US-operated installations in the North, or even throughout the country.

    On the other hand, with the 'sole aggressor' disarmed, it is much easier for China to pressure Korea against it. Think, if they raise a Crimea-tier fuss over installations near Seoul while KJU is on the cusp of demonstrating a proper capability, can ROK politicians justify it to their citizens and corporate stakeholders when North Korea is no more and money needs to be funneled there for reconstruction anyway?
    That seems to be an answerable question. Are there any recent polls of SK citizens regarding their opinion of China?
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    That seems to be an answerable question. Are there any recent polls of SK citizens regarding their opinion of China?
    Not so simple for those politicians without firm international support. If China expands its domination over SE Asia and the archipelagan states and US bases are closed and troops drawn down from Korea, there wouldn't be much scope to act unless Japan and the US take a generally more-aggressive stance toward China than they have so far - in which case withdrawing troops would prove to have been a major strategic blunder anyway.
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    That seems to be an answerable question. Are there any recent polls of SK citizens regarding their opinion of China?
    Recent, as in 2014. Close enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Recent, as in 2014. Close enough

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    Pakistan was one of our more damaging mistakes.
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    I have to admit, North Korea knows how to insult Trump, saying that Trump is too much like Obama.
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