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    Building on the efforts of Swordsmaster in the previous game.

    Ruler: Philip III https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_III_of_Spain

    Heir: Philip IV (succeeded in 1621)

    Other Children: Anne
    Maria Anna
    Charles (died heirless)
    Ferdinand (became a cardinal)


    Prime minister: Duke of Lerma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franci..._Duke_of_Lerma


    Lerma, a financial wizard, succeeded in turning Spain’s account books around and made himself one of the richest men in Europe with a fortune of some 44 million thalers, Lerma’s personal success attracted enemies and well-founded allegations of corruption; in 1618, the king replaced him with on Baltasar de Zúñiga. While the Duke of Lerma (and to a large extent Philip III) had been disinterested in the affairs of their ally, Austria, de Zúñiga was a veteran ambassador to Vienna and believed that the key to restraining the resurgent French and eliminating the Dutch was a closer alliance with Habsburg Austria.

    Alliances: a close union with the Austrian Habsburgs, member of the Holy Catholic League

    in wars against the Ottomans (almost since the beginning of 16th century) and protestants (against the Dutch rebellion since 1566, against the English (since 1585), France (1589-1594 and 1595-1598) )

    Army Organisation:

    Military https://crossfireamersfoort.wordpres...rty-years-war/

    Wiki Tercio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tercio

    Economic & military situation

    Faced with wars against England, France, and the Netherlands, each led by extraordinarily capable leaders, already-bankrupted Spain was outmatched. Struggling with continuing piracy against its shipping in the Atlantic and the disruption of its vital gold shipments from the New World, Spain was forced to admit bankruptcy again in 1596. The Spanish attempted to extricate themselves from the several conflicts they were involved in, first signing the Treaty of Vervins with France in 1598, recognizing Henry IV (since 1593 a Catholic) as king of France, and restoring many of the stipulations of the previous Peace of Cateau-Cambresis. A treaty with England was agreed upon in 1604, following the accession of the more tractable Stuart King James I.

    Peace with England and France implied that Spain could focus her energies on restoring her rule to the Dutch provinces. The Dutch, led by Maurice of Nassau, the son of William the Silent and perhaps the greatest strategist of his time, had succeeded in taking a number of border cities since 1590, including the fortress of Breda. Following the peace with England, the new Spanish commander Ambrosio Spinola pressed hard against the Dutch.

    In 1618 Spain got involved into the european 30 years war, but by 1640, with the tensions generated by the war, Portugal and Catalunya rebelled. While the rebellion in Catalunya could be supressed, Portugal was lost to the Crown forever.
    More detailed economic situation

    At the time the lands under the Crown of the Spanish Habsburgs were not unified country but lands unified only by the person of the ruler. Philip III had lands in the Western part of the Holy Roman Empire and was also an overlord of the Spanish Netherlands (and titular head of all of the Low Lands as the Dutch were considered rebels). The King of Spain was also a duke of Milan and Naples and Sicily, this having a considerable powerbase in Italy. Through a personal union with Portugal he was also a King of Portugal and all its colonies under the name of Philip II of Portugal.

    To make the things more complicated, Spain was also a union of states: the Kingdom of Castile and Aragon with an autonomous region of Catalunya. All of these lands have their own administration, councils and taxes and significant autonomy. The most taxed Kingdom was Castile but Castilian nobility also occupied most of the high ranked positions in the royal administration. As a result, although hard to manage, the Iberian lands did not experience almost any major rebellions until the later 30's unlike many contemporary countries. However, the complicated tax system of the Spanish Habsburg and constant wars led to a constant shortage of money and heavy borrowing from the bank houses. The silver from the Americas had an important role in balancing the bills of the Crown and covering the debt.

    The influx of silver led to a inflation significantly higher than the rest of Europe. The wages were slower to raise which led to impoverishment of a large part of the population. In addition, the higher inflation undermined the competitiveness of the Spanish economy as imports were cheaper and exports more expensive. The Iberian countries exported predominantly raw products (famously wool) that used to be processed abroad ( in the Low Lands). Due to rural poverty and primogeniture there was a trend of immigration towards the bigger cities and New World.

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    https://faculty.history.wisc.edu/som...351/351-06.htm

    Religion

    The Spanish Habsburg were devout Catholics. The rebellion and loss of what is now the Netherlands was to a large extend a religious conflict caused by the determination of the Spanish Habsburg to restore Catholicism. All of the remaining lands of Philip III were fully Catholic. In 15th and 16th century virtually all of the Muslim and Jewish minority was expulsed or converted to Catholicism , though there was a general distrust towards the new converts. Spaniards had to even demonstrate "purity of blood": "old Christian" background in order to access certain positions of authority. This distrust led to expulsion of converts from the country and confiscation of their property. This was acclaimed by the rest of the population and church but was ruinous to the economy of certain Spanish regions.

    The Spanish Inquisition had an important role in keeping the zeal and eradicating heresies. While far from the religious tolerance, the Inquisition was much demonized in the coming centuries. For example, the famous witch hunts were far more widespread in the other parts of Europe (France, Scotland and Germany).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanis...he_Inquisition
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    Deadline is Sunday, HRE-time.

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    Let it be known throughout Europe and the whole world that His Imperial Majesty Rudolf II, by the grace of God elected Holy Roman Emperor, forever August, King in Germany, of Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Rama, Serbia, Galicia, Lodomeria, Cumania and Bulgaria, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Brabant, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola, Luxemburg, Württemberg, the Upper and Lower Silesia, Prince of Swabia, Margrave of the Holy Roman Empire, Burgau, Moravia, the Upper and Lower Lusatia, Princely Count of Habsburg, Tyrol, Ferrette, Kyburg, Gorizia, Landgrave of Alsace, Lord of the Wendish March, Pordenone and Salins; and Lord Christian the Fourth, King of all Denmark and Norway, the Goths and the Wends, duke of Schleswig, Holstein, Stormarn, and Ditmarsh, count of Oldenburg and Delmenhorst, etc have agreed to and signed a defensive pact vowing to support one another. May God preserve the Empire and Denmark!

    Kryštof Harant z Polžic a Bezdružic, Imperial Advisor
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    Spain, Portugal, Naples, Sicily and Milan proudly announce that a peace treaty has been agreed with the Kingdom of England and Scotland.

    Philip III
    King of Spain, Portugal, Naples, Sicily and Duke of Milan


    (details will come out in the chapter)
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    Orders sent.
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    I have all orders but still a couple of question. There is quite a huge work, so it will take until end of week to write the new chapter.

    By the way, I am in a bad mood - expect the worst!!

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    Take your time Franc. From experience i know how laboursome writing these is.
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    Yeah, thank you very much Franc ^^

    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    By the way, I am in a bad mood - expect the worst!!
    Quickly have all the churches play the Miserere non stop!

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    First, I would like to say that it is a honour to play with you, as you all are such nice, peace-loving and tolerant guys. Maybe too good for the world.

    Second: I wrote the chapter for Sweden, HRE, Spain. Poles, French and English are still missing. Work is in progress, but will take some time.

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    Chapter 2 – Anno Domini 1604

    Baltic Sea
    This year Russian harvest is a bit better than the year before, but there are not enough peasants to crop the acres. Trade and artisanry are down. The Russian czar Boris Godunow is doing his best to help his people. There are bad news from the west. Dmitri left Poland at the end of spring and gathers an army. Many Russian boyars like Wassili Schuiski support him as well as Polish noblemen. There are also regular Polish and Swedish cavalry detachments observed in the northern and western provinces. Boris Godunow is forced to gather his troops to face this new threat, but his force is small. However, he hopes that the Russian winter will defeat Dmitri before he reaches Moscow.

    Sweden ends the dispute with Sigismund, who gives up his personal claims on the Swedish crown as well as the Polish claims on Estonia. This gives King Charles the opportunity to reduce his army. Although the situation at the border to Poland is calm, Swedish riders penetrate deeply into the Russian realm.
    Swedish noblemen are very satisfied with the peace treaty. They hope that the King will use the Russian weakness to gain control over some provinces there.

    The Polish aristocrats are taken by surprise about the new friendship with Sweden. Although they do not care whether Sigismund gives up claims on the Swedish crown, they do not accept that he is giving up Polish claims on Estonia. Some very influential families advance the view, that the transfer of Estonia from Swedish property to Poland was a precondition of the election of Sigismund and that his nomination as Kong of Poland would be valid, if Estonia falls back to the Swedish. In this case, Maximilian of Habsburg could be a substitute.
    There are also some irritations about the fact, that some 50 noblemen are allowed to go to France to serve as Hussatias there.
    The noble families of Poland agree that the Polish Sejm should meet in the beginning of AD 1605 to discuss these issues in detail.

    During spring there is a number of Tartar raids in souther Poland. The army of Sigismund is sent to fight these raids and after July, the Tartars retreat and disappear. However, there are also Cossack raids across the Russian border, which go on until end of October.


    HRE
    Kaiser Rudolf II calls to a Reichstag at Regensburg. In March the first noble men from the empire appear and are welcomed by the Kaiser. Rudolf takes care that they are entertained well. Soon the news leaks that the emperor is going to start a new crusade against the Turks. The attendants spontaneously promise to support him. During the following months, more and more noblemen from all over the realm appear. In Mai the members of the House of Habsburg arrive, among them the Emperors brothers Matthias and Maximilian, as well as Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria. They are accompanied by agents of the Pope. Soon a new discussion takes place about the rule Cuius Regio Eius Religio. Rudolf makes a declaration that there shall be tolerance and that high officials can be from all religions. Matthias, Maximilian and Ferdinand oppose and make a pact to implement Cuius Regio Eius Religio and to fight Protestantism all over the Habsburg countries. They agree with the agents of the Pope that Jesuits shall begin with the conversion of the Protestants, that Protestant churches shall be converted and their priests forced to leave the countries.
    Finally, all representatives from the Empire joined and the Reichstag can begin. The Reichstag decides that the Reichsarmee shall be mobilized and brought to Vienna until June Anno Domini 1605. However, some princes complain that they will probably not be able to set up their contingent so quickly.
    Harmony is interrupted as the Kaiser makes two other declarations: first all refugees, even Protestants may find shelter and are to be settled in the Hungarian and Croatian territories. Second, the cities are to have a single vote each. Of course this causes a storm of protest. The prince-electors refuse to give up any rights to the cities and the Catholics protest against the settlement of Protestants. Soon rumors go around that the Kaiser suffers from mental disease and that his illegal son Julio is completely insane. Several noblemen urge the Kaiser to fix the succession.
    Before the Reichstag ends, there is a new issue coming from the Free Imperial City of Donauwoerth. The city is populated mainly with Protestant. At April 25th, however, five monks from the order of St. Benedictus with a couple of Catholics made a Marcus procession through the city, singing and waving their flags. Although this was their right according to the Treaty of Augsburg, it was a clear provocation of the Protestant majority. When they tried to return through the city, they found the gates blocked. The procession ended in a brawl. A notary of the Bishop of Augsburg attended the accident and recorded it in writing. Now the Bishop of Augsburg brings this case to the Emperor and demands guaranties for the Catholics and punishment of the Protestants.
    There are also news from Hungary. There is evidence that local noblemen are in contact with the sultan to start a conspiracy against the Emperor.
    In the meantime, the whole army of Habsburg marches from Vienna eastwards. The commander, Hermann von Russwurm deploy the army of about 35,000 men near the fort Raab (Gyor). Here the organizes the supply and prepares for winter.

    France
    There are many rumours going around at Paris. Most of them deal with “maitresses”, Catherine de Balzac, Antoinette de Pons, Jacqueline de Bueil, only to name a few. Of course, these affairs amoureuse are nothing that the Parisiens would blame their king for, but lately there are some strange rumours that the king cares more about his affairs than about the political duties. His maitresse and the queen, they say, have more and more influence on the French policy. Some well informed sources even tell that these women are under the influence of Jesuit priests, which pop up lately all over the realm and especially at the royal palace. Is it any wonder that the Huguenots are getting uneasy? In this context the announcement of Henri to introduce a new “woman day” leads to unrest. A crowd of furious people attacks the carriage of Lady de Pons. The Royal Guard is able to prevent any personal damage and gendarmes quickly restores order at Paris. However, the tensions remain.
    In August there is a new accident, that may cause more trouble. At a small town south-east of Paris Huguenots begin to build a new church. Catholic citizens assault the construction area, wound several workers and destroy the building. While the Huguenots begin to reactivate their militia, the Catholics write a letter to the King to complain about the violation of the Edict of Nantes.

    In September, a strange delegations lands at Marseille: twelve ships bring the representatives of the Ottoman Sultan and his entourage. He travels to Paris, where he is welcomed with highest honours by the King and his ministers. He lives in a Palais near the Royal Palast and is soon the centre of the social life. Of course, his visit has a diplomatic reason, too, and rumours are spread that Henri prepares an alliance with the Sultan to invade the Holy Roman Empire.

    France sends an expedition to build a new colony at Northern America, which will be called La Nouvelle France.


    The Dutch War

    The siege of Ostend goes for the climax. The Spaniards increase their efforts to assault the last harbour of the rebels at Flanders. With Ambrosio Spinola a new Spanish commander appears at the scene. With new troops and support of an Italian besiege engineer he begins a war of attrition.

    In January, however, a Dutch convoy reaches the town and supplies it with food and reinforcements.

    Between February and March the city is badly damaged by severe storms and the Spanish continue to dig trenches ever closer and began constructing a mine under the fortresses Porcepisc and the West Bulwark.

    On 12 March the Spanish launch a determined effort to carry the lesser Polder bulwark. The little fort is soon overwhelmed and the defenders are at last driven out of it and forced to take refuge in the next work; the first attrition success for Spinola.

    On 18 April Spinola orders another assault this time on the Western ravelin. After a hand to hand action in which great numbers of officers and soldiers are lost on both sides the fort is eventually carried. This is an important success for the Spanish who have now worked their way with galleries and ditches along the whole length of the counterscarp till they were nearly up with the Porcepsic. Soon after the Spanish assault the main Porcepsic itself but are repelled with further losses, but despite this Spinola then undertakes a formal siege of the enceinte

    Maurice of Orange receives the news of the capture of the West and Polder ravelins with astonishment and harbours first fears about the fate of Ostend. He decides to launch an attack at either Ostend or Sluis; the latter was chosen hoping to draw out the Spanish or to capture Sluis, an inland port similar to Ostend as a back up plan.

    More bad news for the Dutch is the English-Spanish peace treaty, which interrupts the English support for the Netherlands. However, Maurice is able to convince the English and Scottish regiments at least as long as the Dutch are able to pay them.

    Maurice at the head of a Dutch 18,000 men enters Flanders in April 1604, and laid siege to Sluis on. Spinola quickly sends his cavalry to support the Spanish garrison of Sluis and to stop the Dutch advance. Although he slows down the advance of the Dutch, he cannot hinder them to isolate and besiege Sluis.
    In July Spinola himself makes another attempt to relieve Sluis with 10,000 men. Maurice however ses the plan and sets a large force to work, and in forty-eight hours he has dug a trench which effectually stopped the passage. He then mounts several guns and opens a heavy and continuous fire on the Spanish troops.

    On the evening of the 6th of August Spinola makes an attack on the Dutch lines, and there is a desperate fighting in the trenches. In the end the Spanish are forced to retreat after a Dutch column comes and surprises the flank of the assailants causing the loss of some 700 men.

    On the 18th after two months of trying to relieve Sluis, Spinola gives up hope and marches away dispirited and returns to resume the siege of Ostend.

    The garrison of Sluis is now reduced to great straits by famine, the 4,000 half-starved garrison troops, some of them scarcely able to walk could not hold out any longer. On 20 August 1604, upon hearing the news of the retreat of Spinola, Governor Serrano surrenders the city to Maurice

    In the meantime, the Dutch commander of Ostend builds new defences inside the city. The remaining Spanish forces continue the war of attrition. They
    ignite several mines under the Dutch position managing to push them further backwards.

    On 25 July a convoy manages to get into Ostend with reinforcements of 800 Zealanders. Soon after unseasonable storms play havoc on the defences of Ostend and with it Dutch supply ships are finding it difficult to make their way into Ostend

    On 22 August two days after the surrender of Sluis, a combination of high tide and another storm sweeps away a significant proportion of the new fortification shrinking the defenders position further; the Northern defences are abandoned. On 13 September the Spanish take possession that had defied them for nearly three years and begin to bombard the walls in front of the Old Haven. The position is now untenable, the besieged are now holding out in the rubble strewn old town. The bloody war of attrition has last succeeded and the garrison sents messengers to Maurice to try and assist.

    Maurice's capture of Sluis however has made it less essential for the Republic to hold on to Ostend; The decision is made to grant the Ostend garrison the permission to surrender.

    Finally, the accord is signed on 20 September; d'Hertaing surrenders the city to the forces of Ambrosio Spinola. The articles of capitulation grant the defenders full military honours.

    At Spain the people are relieved by the peace treaty with England. In September, the bells ring to celebrate the victory of Ostend. However, the King is still waiting for the convoy from Americas, which is a bit late this year. Finally he arrives loaded with precious metal and other goods. However, he brings bad news, too. In spring four Dutch ships raided the coasts of the Philippines, sinking merchant ships and burning down Spanish settlements. Therefore the gain from the America convoy is 1 mio less than it could have been.

    The Spanish armada succeeds to attack Dutch convoy on the way from Africa homewards. The Spaniards sink two ships, while the rest is able to escape.


    England & Scotland
    James ends the old hostilities of his precursor and makes a peace treaty with Spain. He also calls the parliament to discuss combining the two crowns and also to raise new taxes to strengthen the armed forces and foster colonization.
    Although parliament honours the king, there is a lot of scorching criticism. Most of the parlamentarians do not agree with the peace treaty. The protestants are are furious, because this treaty means betraying the protestant brothers of the Netherlands, which are desperately fighting against the Catholic invaders. The merchants also disagree with the treaty as the raids against the Spanish ships used to be a very profitable business. The parliament also refuses to raise taxes, as obviously there is no need to increase the army now that war is over. And the parliament is not willing to finance the royal ambitions to increase the realm by colonization and to fill the royal treasure. Further more both parliaments remind the King that there is a personal union but not a united kingdom of England and Scotland, and this is how it should remain.

    Finally there is a compromise regarding tax: parliament agrees to keep taxes at the current level for another year. Next year there will be another meeting where the King ought to present his ideas about colonization and how he thinks private investments could participate in these enterprises. The Scottish parliament demands that the king also supports the foundation of Scottish colonies and supports the efforts of Scottish noblemen to earn money in the New World. Furthermore parliament urges the King to keep on supporting the Netherlands, as a victory of the Spaniards would be a threat for England.

    In July, the royal guard arrests three Jesuits at Dover. Catholic citizens protest against this violation of religious tolerance.
    After the fall of Ostend in September, the Protestants protest against the policy of the King and demand immediate support for the Netherlands.
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    Did I forget sth? Any questions??

    I am going to send you the new numbers for your planning soon.

    Comments:
    1) you can order expeditions to explore and exploit colonies. Just send the info to me.
    2) You can get into contact with any neutral party - just send a message to me
    3) You can discuss with your noble or parliament - via me
    4) There are some actions real noble men would not do - using spies or bribing noblemen from his own country or from someone others country.
    5) please keep in mind that building up new troops takes at least one year.

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    Just some apologies. I will do most of my diplomatic actions during the weekend. Great work, Franc.
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    Don't worry. I am very busy, too.

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    Brother Kings,

    We all have been wronged and this heinous breech of order has disturbed God’s just order on Earth.

    Every kingdom of Christendom is beset with rebellion and the questioning of Royal Authority.

    However, this is due to the usurpation of kingly authority by an interloper.

    The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth, for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself they are called gods. There be three principal [comparisons] that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the word of God, and the two other out of the grounds of policy and philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power after a certain relation compared to the Divine power. Kings are also compared to fathers of families; for a king is truly parens patriae [parent of the country], the politic father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the head of this microcosm of the body of man.

    In Romans 13 Paul refers to Monarchs as God’s Ministers. The wielders of rightful earthly authority.

    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
    For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
    For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
    Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

    In the case of England, Scotland, and Ireland we have subjects who cannot enjoy full rights because they mistakenly believe others have first call on their loyalties.

    In the case of Spain and others among us, they question the authority of the Pope to rule their Kings and to tell all how God is to be served.

    For it is not a low borne elected pope who should be obeyed but the Kings who wield Gods authority on earth.

    The Pope and his churchmen usurp our rightful authority and in doing so divide the people as to where rightful authority lies. He commands kings to follow his wishes to war on those who do not put him above the kings and calls upon our subjects to make war on their rightful kings who will not obey his will.

    There is no rightful power between King and God to interpose their will. This is the cause of our continual strife. An abomination to God’s Ordering Of the World.

    We do not wish war with others who would follow his rule but we do not recognise any authority between us and God telling us what is the correct order of life. Nor should you.

    On there three counts alone the Church should submit its self to keeping souls and not to commanding kings.


    1 The Old Testament, in which God chose kings to rule over Israel, beginning with Saul who was then rejected by God in favour of David, whose dynasty continued (at least in the southern kingdom) until the Babylonian captivity.
    2 The New Testament, in which the first pope, St. Peter, commands that all Christians shall honour the Roman Emperor (1 Peter 2:13–20), even though, at that time, he was still a pagan emperor. St. Paul agreed with St. Peter that subjects should be obedient to the powers that be because they are appointed by God, as he wrote in his Epistle to the Romans 13:1-7. Likewise, Jesus Christ proclaims in the Gospel of Matthew that one should "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's"; that is at first, literally, the payment of taxes as binding those who use the imperial currency (Matthew 22:15–22). Jesus told Pontius Pilate that his authority as Roman governor of Judaea came from heaven according to John 19:10–11.
    3 The endorsement by the popes and the church of the line of emperors beginning with the Emperors Constantine and Theodosius, later the Eastern Roman emperors, and finally the Western Roman emperor, Charlemagne and his successors, the Catholic Holy Roman Emperors.

    The wars of Religion must stop or they will devastate all our lands. The Pope must recognise our authority to order our States where he has no right by the Word of God to interfere.

    These wars are over the power of Rome to tell the people what they must do and what they must believe. Will you fight for the power of Rome or for your own rights as Kings?

    Are we united in asserting our right to rule or must we war to empower authority for one man over kings?

    Where do you stand?

    We must pressure the Pope to renounce his supposed authority over all secular matters. In Ecclesiastical Courts if need be.

    This would reestablish Royal Authority over all our subjects. Allow us to grant the rights deserving to all subjects. End the arguments over church control over publishing Bibles and the interference of churchmen in the rule of secular law and our rightful due.






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    the vast limits of their knowledge.
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    Dictatus papae

    The representatives of the Holy See want to remind all sceptical and misled to the Dictatus papae, which is part of the Christian believe and tradition since Anno Domini 1075:

    1.That the Roman church was founded by God alone.
    2.That the Roman pontiff alone can with right be called universal.
    3.That he alone can depose or reinstate bishops.
    4.That, in a council his legate, even if a lower grade, is above all bishops, and can pass sentence of deposition against them.
    5.That the pope may depose the absent.
    6.That, among other things, we ought not to remain in the same house with those excommunicated by him.
    7.That for him alone is it lawful, according to the needs of the time, to make new laws, to assemble together new congregations, to make an abbey of a canonry; and, on the other hand, to divide a rich bishopric and unite the poor ones.
    8.That he alone may use the imperial insignia.
    9.That of the pope alone all princes shall kiss the feet.
    10.That his name alone shall be spoken in the churches.
    11.That this title [Pope] is unique in the world.
    12.That it may be permitted to him to depose emperors.
    13.That he may be permitted to transfer bishops if need be.
    14.That he has power to ordain a clerk of any church he may wish.
    15.That he who is ordained by him may preside over another church, but may not hold a subordinate position; and that such a one may not receive a higher grade from any bishop.
    16.That no synod shall be called a general one without his order.
    17.That no chapter and no book shall be considered canonical without his authority.
    18.That a sentence passed by him may be retracted by no one; and that he himself, alone of all, may retract it.
    19.That he himself may be judged by no one.
    20.That no one shall dare to condemn one who appeals to the apostolic chair.
    21.That to the latter should be referred the more important cases of every church.
    22.That the Roman church has never erred; nor will it err to all eternity, the Scripture bearing witness.
    23.That the Roman pontiff, if he have been canonically ordained, is undoubtedly made holy by the merits of St. Peter; St. Ennodius, bishop of Pavia, bearing witness, and many holy fathers agreeing with him. As is contained in the decrees of St. Symmachus the pope.
    24.That, by his command and consent, it may be lawful for subordinates to bring accusations.
    25.That he may depose and reinstate bishops without assembling a synod.
    26.That he who is not at peace with the Roman church shall not be considered catholic.
    27.That he may absolve subjects from their fealty to wicked men.

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    Where as, Royal Authority is founded in Scripture and the Word of God, none of the Papal claims are to be found there or even the apocryphal writings but are merely the assertions of men wishing to expand their illegitimate claims to power above the Holly ordering of God.

    This is a case the Church can not win if tried before any honest and learned man of God.

    It causes much grief and the shedding of blood and only to the benefit of an ever more corrupt clergy. Honest and forthright men would repudiate claims which can not be found in Scripture and can only be the wanton graspings of power by those not entitled to weald it.

    Do honest men of God rely on trickery, fraud, and forgery? Questioned from its very revolution it has been more than 150 years since the device by which Popes claimed Royal Authority was proven for all time to be a fraud and a forgery. The said Donation of Constantine. Is it by such device and deceit that they rest upon infallibility?

    Are kings to base their authority upon the undisputed word of God or to submit to the whims and declarations of proven deceivers?





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    Announcement from the Palace of El Escorial

    We, Philip III King of Spain, Portugal, Naples, Sicily and Sardinia, Duke of Milan, disapprove the mention of Spain in this context. We do not doubt the power of the Holy Father and our place in the family of the Holy Catholic Church. It is to our faith and divine support we owe the expelling of the infidels from our lands, the triumph over the pagan empires in the New World and our recent victory in Lepanto against the Turks. Furthermore we believe that Spain is a perfect example of how Kings and Popes can help each other and bring about great fruits. Indeed, there has been challenges but this is only a test for our faith and determination.

    However, we, Philip III are not a cleric, despite our knowledge, deep faith and dedication to the Holy Catholic Church. We advise our fellow monarchs to mostly leave the religious discussions to the clergy. For after all, too many people suffered because of false interpretation of the Holy texts.

    Loyal son of the Holy Catholic Church

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    Deadline on Wednesday?

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    Deadline on Wednesday?
    Tomorrow is bit fast for me. How about Saturday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Tomorrow is bit fast for me. How about Saturday?

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    The Holy See has to inform all Christians that our Holy Father Pope Clement VIII died tonight. He passed away from sorrow over his beloved but went astray children of England and Scotland. His last words were a prey for the English King. Now he is united with all the martyrs, which died for the faith of the Catholic belief.

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    All of Spain and Portugal grieve the loss of our spiritual father. We will pray for his swift ascension to Heaven.

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    Cardinal Alessandro de' Medici was elected as pope. He chose to be called Leo XI in honor of his uncle Pope Leo X.
    His election was strongly supported by the cardinals of the Reich.


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    His Imperial Majesty, Kaiser Rudolf II, welcomes the new Holy Father and looks forward for His Holiness guidance in dealing with the current turmoil in Christendom, which is only favouring the infedel Saracens.

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    France also welcomes the New Holy father.

    Concerning the issues brought up by the King of England and Scotland. We think that the Church ought to to look into to the matter internally and and seek the guidance of the God in the matter. In matters of religion there are many possibilities for misunderstandings. Let us give you an example.

    As you all know at 1598 France decided to ratify the Edict of Nantes in order to bring to the end the religious wars. In the edict several rights and privileges for the French people were given and while the Edict is quite clear, the possibility for misunderstandings is always present. Just last year in a town near Paris those with reformed faith decided to build a new church, since their old one was become unsuitable to use. This provoked the Catholic people of the town to dismantle the new church and rightly so, because in the Edict of Nantes the reformed were allowed to continue to follow their faith in areas where they already had places of worship. The reformed at the town made the mistake to build a new church, when they should have repaired the old one. Thankfully the good catholic citizens helped them to fix the issue by dismantling the new church. Now in order to end the dispute and guarantee the reformed their place of worship. The crown of France will help the reformed to repair their old church, like they should have done to begin with.

    yours truly, Henry IV Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre

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    Franc,

    I would be late with my decisions with about a day/ max. two. I will do my best to deliver them on Sunday.
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    Gentlemen,

    things are not going well.

    1) I have just received orders from England and HRE. Csargo has to leave the game, I am trying to get a substitute. So there are still Spain, Sweden and France missing. Please hurry!!!!

    2) Pope Leo XI died after a mandate of only 27 days. We have to do another election. All catholic sovereigns may send their support.

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    Now France and Sweden are missing!

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    So, can I haz into Polen, da or nie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    Now France and Sweden are missing!

    I will give mine today.I am missing some communications, but those have to wait.
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