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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    ...members of the UK government got upset and even talked about war.
    No, to be clear: Michael Howard (a 74 year old arch-reactionary who hasn't been part of any government since 1997 and hasn't even been on the Conservative front bench for twelve years) made some vague remark about Thatcher and the Falklands which the meeja twisted into talking about war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    English footballers are among the best in the world, but English football has two problems.

    1. Poor national-level management, especially picking "big name" players over the best team.

    2. Everybody knows how English football works because we take so many players from other countries into out national league.

    Basically, we are victims of our own success.
    Both of them boil down to ownership of teams by filthily rich tycoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    I think the Premier League is leading in marketing, so TV rights are sold all over the world and people watch them everywhere. Maybe they know English football this way.
    That's Socialism.
    You just lost the argument, sorry.
    Capitalism is never wrong, the UK invented it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Both of them boil down to ownership of teams by filthily rich tycoon.
    Are you talking about how Putin's buddies own half the UK's football teams and half the apartments in central London?
    See above, Socialist argument, wrong, wrong, wrong!
    Also ,even if you weren't wrong, it would be the EU's fault.
    If it's not the EU's fault, it's the fault of Britain and its people being so awesome and successful.

    Just like how the Germans were so awesome and successful in the 1920s and then the Bolshevik jews and the Capitalist jews brought the recession upon us by replacing all their teeth with gold or something, YES HITLER!

    What were we talking about?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Are you talking about how Putin's buddies own half the UK's football teams and half the apartments in central London?
    See above, Socialist argument, wrong, wrong, wrong!
    Also ,even if you weren't wrong, it would be the EU's fault.
    If it's not the EU's fault, it's the fault of Britain and its people being so awesome and successful.

    Just like how the Germans were so awesome and successful in the 1920s and then the Bolshevik jews and the Capitalist jews brought the recession upon us by replacing all their teeth with gold or something, YES HITLER!

    What were we talking about?
    Not sure if your indignation is genuine or you are trolling as usual. I was talking of a tendency evident in modern English football to sell clubs (or franchises as Americans call them) to rich foreigners - not neccessarily Russians, but Arabs as well. So the sports competition turns into a contest of wallets. The EU has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Not sure if your indignation is genuine or you are trolling as usual. I was talking of a tendency evident in modern English football to sell clubs (or franchises as Americans call them) to rich foreigners - not neccessarily Russians, but Arabs as well. So the sports competition turns into a contest of wallets. The EU has nothing to do with it.
    Husar using the phrase "Yes Hitler!" and you aren't sure?

    I think that's a pretty clear use of sardonic humor, for sooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Not sure if your indignation is genuine or you are trolling as usual. I was talking of a tendency evident in modern English football to sell clubs (or franchises as Americans call them) to rich foreigners - not neccessarily Russians, but Arabs as well. So the sports competition turns into a contest of wallets. The EU has nothing to do with it.
    My indignation at what? The one you're supposed to read very clearly between the lines or the superficial one?
    I can assure you the only indignation in my post was directed straight towards English nationalists and purely hidden in very obvious sarcasm...

    I take offence at the insinuation that I am usually trolling, that's a very trolly comment considering it always comes up in attempts to shut me up or enrage me. Sarcasm is not the same as trolling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I take offence at the insinuation that I am usually trolling, that's a very trolly comment considering it always comes up in attempts to shut me up or enrage me. Sarcasm is not the same as trolling.
    I apologize if you are offended. Let me rephrase my statement: Husar trolls more often than others here and I'm not always good at detecting it (especially if no emoticons are in evidence).

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    Donald Trump reveals EU trade deal more important to US than deal with Britain after Brexit
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world...-a3521051.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    I apologize if you are offended. Let me rephrase my statement: Husar trolls more often than others here and I'm not always good at detecting it (especially if no emoticons are in evidence).
    You are not the only one with that issue.

    Husar is either cuttingly witty or not at all witty - I can't decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    You are not the only one with that issue.

    Husar is either cuttingly witty or not at all witty - I can't decide.
    The latter pretending to be the former.

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    I'm not sure whether that was a complete lack of response to my point or just a distracting ad-hominem now, I just can't decide...


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    Husar is a communist and thus devoid of all humanity.
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    I can't decide.
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    Keep mocking. There are many more Greyblades than there are Beskars.
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    I'm an noun now?

    Figures it happens only once I'd started outgrowing that boyish desire for acknowledgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I'm an noun now?

    Figures it happens only once I'd started outgrowing that boyish desire for acknowledgement.
    Same logic as I found with dating as a young fellow. Did miserably until I stopped giving a rat's patoot or trying. Then she chased me and I was married within two years.
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    Ah, if only all of life's successes could come without dogged persuit.
    Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I'm an noun now?
    And pay attention that he used your name in plural whose form coincides with the singular. So now your are in one class with trout, salmon, deer, fish (should I mention swine?). Alternatively, since it has the s inflection you may be grouped together with glasses, scissors, braces (should I mention pants?). So pick one to your liking.

    P.S. No offence intended. Just ruminations of a linguist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Keep mocking. There are many more Greyblades than there are Beskars.
    Actually, that is false. Hard-line Brexiteers were estimated to be 17% of the vote, compared to the idea of 48% against leaving, and incorporating the large numbers who preferred soft-Brexit or believed promises plastered against the side of the bus.

    So if the vote was based on values and what people actually knew what they were voting for, then Brexit would have not occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Keep mocking. There are many more Greyblades than there are Beskars.
    There are also more Germans than Englishmen...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    There are also more Germans than Englishmen...
    There are more a Russians than Germans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Actually, that is false. Hard-line Brexiteers were estimated to be 17% of the vote, compared to the idea of 48% against leaving, and incorporating the large numbers who preferred soft-Brexit or believed promises plastered against the side of the bus.

    So if the vote was based on values and what people actually knew what they were voting for, then Brexit would have not occurred.
    You are guilty of a number of logical fallacies here.

    1. The assumption that more information and/or more accurate information automatically leads to a uniform swing in favour of Remain.

    How many Remainers are aware that the EU has three salaried Presidents, for the Commission, the Council and the Parliament?

    How many Remainers are aware the EU Parliament has TWO buildings, one for debate and one for voting?

    How many Remainers are aware of the theoretical exchange rate between the Euro and the German Mark or the Greek Drachma, and understand the implications?

    Finally, how many have reviewed the economic data, particularly unemployment, for Southern Europe since the Eurozone banking crisis?

    How many Remainers are aware that "ever closer Union" is written into the treaty of Rome?

    2. You are assuming a clear division between hard-Brexiters, soft-Brexiters and Remainers. All the data appears to point in the other direction. Most people who voted Remain want some immigration controls, most who voted Brexit want access to EU markets. When forced to choose between the two slightly more people, irrc it was 51% chose Immigration Control over access - i.e. the referendum result.

    3. You assume that Strike meant you to be emblematic of the Remain camp (and he know you aren't) and Greyblades to be emblematic on the Leave camp (clearly not, given that he holds different views to myself and Furunculus).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    There are more a Russians than Germans
    Are we still offering samples of grade three arithmetics tasks? Then no one will beat this: there are more Chinese than Russians, Germans and Englishmen taken together.

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    Labour's 'day one' pledge to EU nationals
    Labour says it would scrap Theresa May's Brexit plans and unilaterally guarantee the rights of EU residents before talks start, if it wins power.
    Way to abandon your own people overseas, dumbass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Way to abandon your own people overseas, dumbass.
    Nope. The EU said it guarantees the right of Brits in Europe on condition that Europeans are protected here.

    Theresa May on other hand is holding EU nationals hostage by not agreeing to this, as she wants to get further concessions from the EU for it. In fact, she is willing to go as far as abandoning Brits overseas in exchange to keeping this 'bargaining chip'. EU has said this is a red-line and they want this agreed before any negotiation.

    So no, he is not the dumbass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Labour's 'day one' pledge to EU nationals


    Way to abandon your own people overseas, dumbass.

    I believe their counterpoint would be that citizenship in the EU is protection enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Nope. The EU said it guarantees the right of Brits in Europe on condition that Europeans are protected here.

    Theresa May on other hand is holding EU nationals hostage by not agreeing to this, as she wants to get further concessions from the EU for it. In fact, she is willing to go as far as abandoning Brits overseas in exchange to keeping this 'bargaining chip'. EU has said this is a red-line and they want this agreed before any negotiation.

    So no, he is not the dumbass.
    Erm, no.

    The Government said MONTHS ago that they would guarantee the rights of #EU nationals so long as Brussels reciprocated. Brussels refused to comment until we formally triggered Article 50.

    From last November: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37997698

    From July last year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36707420

    So what you just wrote was diametrically opposed to the facts.

    It is Britain that has sought to guarantee reciprocal rights and the EU that has hedged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    There are more a Russians than Germans
    There are more Chinese than Russians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    there are more Chinese than Russians, Germans and Englishmen taken together.
    Come on, didn't even read to that before I replied, but yeah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    There are more Chinese than Russians.



    Come on, didn't even read to that before I replied, but yeah...
    I was going to say there are more Asians than Chinese east of India/Bangladesh, but it turns out there aren't.

    Yet India seems set to overtake China by the end of the decade.

    And Georgia's population trend is to double in size within 2500 Years of Darkness.
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