Kidding me, the UK gets out just in time
Kidding me, the UK gets out just in time
If one could predict the future, one could become very rich very quickly.
What positive changes were there when we joined the EU? Apart from all that money going elsewhere which will definitely help us in the long term.
Regulations tend to increase in or out of the EU. Immigration probably will not drop. If we're lucky there might be more store on the quality that is let in - but I'm not holding my breath. What change ever happens with guaranteed improvements?
I hold no illusions that the UK will somehow be important again and regain the standing of the 1880's. With luck we can become more like Iceland that does its own thing rather than wastes vast sums of resource in throwing its weight around the world. The UK might have some remaining "soft power" but that's it. We should act accordingly.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
You seem very keen to cheerlead the British into leaving the EU and saying that it's all going to be great, all the while whilst living within the EU and not looking to live outside it. Just like the neolibs who in the 1990s urged the Russians to subscribe to their theories and saying that all the pain will be worth it, whilst living elsewhere and not having to face the consequences of the actions they urged. I despised the neolibs.
Don't be surprised. People generally lack empathy.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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If the issue is that there are two EU Parliaments, shouldn't the solution be to put them both in the same location? Why is this single inefficiency sufficient reason to leave the EU altogether? It's a bit like Scots thinking that the House of Lords is redundant, and thus leaving the UK because of this inefficiency. There's an argument to be made about improving efficiency, but to leave because of this?
Erm...
There are is a single EU Parliament with TWO buildings. The Parliament has to alternate between Brussels and Strasbourg.
Why?
Well, because it's in the treaty and the French have refused to countenance a change because they want a piece of the EU-pie (The Strasbourg Parliament is the only EU institution in France). As a result everything is duplicated, at greatly offensive expense.
This single example encapsulates, for me, everything wrong with the EU.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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Erm, the Royal family? That particular expense is offensive to many. Yet it's kept because it's what it's always been, and it keeps the peace between different political factions. And it's counted by its backers as one of the strengths of the UK.
There's a far greater inefficiency about the EU, but you don't seem to recognise it, and you even counted it as a strength when talking about it in a different context. You said that the UK has a veto in the UN, and that was why you thought UN membership was not an issue. Well, the UK had a veto in the EU too. So does every other member. That's probably at the heart of every supposed inefficiency within the EU. Yet you count that as a strength when the UK has it but not others.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
The idea the Royal Family is expensive only works if you view their private property as actually being "public" property. It isn't, not in any way our Common Law understands. You also need to consider that any replacement President would likely be at least as much of a drain on the Public purse. There would still need to be a Palace, a holiday home, servants...
Yes, I know, I mentioned the French veto in my last post. The national vetoes have been watered down and as a result are now jealously guarded - removing them would also require a new treaty and, frankly, after the Lisbon that's inconceivable without Referenda in most countries.There's a far greater inefficiency about the EU, but you don't seem to recognise it, and you even counted it as a strength when talking about it in a different context. You said that the UK has a veto in the UN, and that was why you thought UN membership was not an issue. Well, the UK had a veto in the EU too. So does every other member. That's probably at the heart of every supposed inefficiency within the EU. Yet you count that as a strength when the UK has it but not others.
I think the EU is "stuck" - it can't walk back integration and it can't progress to a full Federal State. The Euro-crisis and its aftermath has exposed the lie that the EU promotes prosperity for all, Spain and Greece are STILL suffering and Italy continues to teeter.
All of this could be fixed with German money or a German suspension of the Euro but that's not something the german Government will do.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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Souuthern Seurope is nothing but a proxy because banks can't be saved directly. Especially Greece suffers from this. They aren't gettng anything but beths, all money ihey 'get' is useless.
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And even poorer one, our beloved queen father died. Of course he didn't know about the thousands of people who were drugged and thrown in the sea to gently sink to death. Bad timing Hussie. That family goes way back to that royal family of mine they helped the nazi's flee to Argentina. Zorriguetta and prince Bernard who was also as wrong as can be knew eachother very well way before WW2
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No comments from Brexit supporters on the Bombardier affair?
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