Gilrandir vs Immune "System"

[Husar]

This all comes down to the top tenth of the top one percent of top posters wanting more posts than everyone else.
That's because post count is relative. There was a time when you were a top poster with 1000 posts but now you aren't even one if you have 10000. This creates an atmosphere of jealousy so the elites have the poorest threads closed or merged in private jail threads.
Wake up sheeple and let's Make Orgland Great Again by getting the best posters into Admin positions! No loser posters in Admin positions! There will be so much posting that you will get tired of posting! We also need a wall to keep the posters from the Total War section out of our promised Backroom! Only winner-posters know the best firewalls to keep these loser posters out because they bring kitten memes, potty mouths, they're trolls and they ruin our youths!

[Gilrandir]

Moderation is like the immune system, if it gets too bored because there are not enough nasty posts to edit and warning points to be handed out, it develops allergies and begins to attack things that aren't really problematic. The real problem is that all of you don't get angry enough to collect warning points. You only have yourselves to blame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Immune system is a misname. The notion of system presupposes elements and relations between them. Unlike digestive system or blood circulatory system or musculoskeletal system the "immune system" doesn't have organs connected with each other to perform the protecting function. It is rather lymphatic system plus a bunch of miscellaneous organs of other systems (including the skin) that address the task of protecting the body against infections. In no way do they form a system.

[Husar]

Immune system is a misname. The notion of system presupposes elements and relations between them. Unlike digestive system or blood circulatory system or musculoskeletal system the "immune system" doesn't have organs connected with each other to perform the protecting function. It is rather lymphatic system plus a bunch of miscellaneous organs of other systems (including the skin) that address the task of protecting the body against infections. In no way do they form a system.

There is a system and also coordination going on in the immune system. If not so much between organs, there is certainly coordination between cells: http://kidshealth.org/en/parents/immune.html

Although antibodies can recognize an antigen and lock onto it, they are not capable of destroying it without help. That's the job of the T cells, which are part of the system that destroys antigens that have been tagged by antibodies or cells that have been infected or somehow changed. (Some T cells are actually called "killer cells.") T cells also are involved in helping signal other cells (like phagocytes) to do their jobs.

IIRC the problem with AIDS is that it attacks the type of cell that would alert others to destroy the invading AIDS, thus blunting the reaction of the immune system and making the body more susceptible to other attacks as well since AIDS has knocked out an important part of the defense system. This wouldn't be as problematic if the rest of the system worked without getting triggered by the cells that AIDS knocks out.
Then again my biology class on this stuff was >10 years in the past...

[Gilrandir]

There is a system and also coordination going on in the immune system. If not so much between organs, there is certainly coordination between cells: http://kidshealth.org/en/parents/immune.html

Cells are not organs. All cells are in a way connected, not so the organs. Thus, not a system.

[Husar]

Cells are not organs. All cells are in a way connected, not so the organs. Thus, not a system.

The organs don't need to be connected for it to be a system, what are you talking about?
You sound like you're saying the human body is not a system because the left foot is not directly connected to the right foot.

[Montmorency]

The immune system is a system: an organ system. It's not one organ. It's a supervenient process of the regulatory action of most, if not all organs in the body.

[Gilrandir]

The immune system is a system: an organ system. It's not one organ. It's a supervenient process of the regulatory action of most, if not all organs in the body.

To form a system organs must be connected to each other. Not so in case of immune "system": http://www.livescience.com/38028-how...fographic.html

[Montmorency]

Where do you get that notion?

[Gilrandir]

Where do you get that notion?

See the link. As I have said, it is the lymphatic system that connects SOME organs responsible for the protection of the body against infections. Other organs responsible for protection (namely skin) are not connected to spleen or thymus.

[Montmorency]

I don't think you understand. All the organs and systems of the body contribute some function to the immune response. They are all connected by being in the same body.