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    As an alternative to Political Compass we have used previously, there is "8 values".
    https://8values.github.io/

    What is 8values?

    8values is, in essence, a political quiz that attempts to assign percentages for eight different political values. You will be presented by a statement, and then you will answer with your opinion on the statement, from Strongly Agree to Strongly Disagree, with each answer slightly affecting your scores. At the end of the quiz, your answers will be compared to the maximum possible for each value, thus giving you a percentage. Answer honestly!

    What are the eight values?
    There are four independent axes - Economic, Diplomatic, State, and Society - and each has two opposing values assigned to them. They are:

    Equality (Economic)
    Those with higher Equality scores believe the economy should distribute value evenly among the populace. They tend to support progressive tax codes, social programs, and at high values, socialism.

    Markets (Economic)
    Those with higher Market scores believe the economy should be focused on rapid growth. They tend to support lower taxes, privatization, deregulation, and at high values, laissez-faire capitalism.

    Nation (Diplomatic)
    Those with higher Nation scores are patriotic and nationalist. They often believe in an aggressive foreign policy, valuing the military, strength, sovereignty, and at high values, territorial expansion.

    Globe (Diplomatic)
    Those with higher Globe scores are cosmopolitan and globalist. They often believe in a peaceful foreign policy, emphasizing diplomacy, cooperation, integration, and at high values, a world government.

    Liberty (State)
    Those with higher Liberty scores believe in strong civil liberties. They tend to support democracy and oppose state intervention in personal lives. Note that this refers to civil liberties, not economic liberties.

    Authority (State)
    Those with higher Authority scores believe in strong state power. They tend to support state intervention in personal lives, government surveillance, and at high values, censorship or autocracy.

    Tradition (Society)
    Those with higher Tradition scores believe in traditional values and strict adherence to a moral code. Though not always, they are usually religious, and support the status quo or the status quo ante.

    Progress (Society)
    Those with higher Progress scores believe in social change and rationality. Though not always, they are usually secular or atheist, and support environmental action and scientific or technological research.
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    My score:
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    Not a better quiz than the old one. Since I can't really answer these questions the way they're meant to be, I come out almost pure centrist.

    Did you take the test answering as you expected Greyblades to, or did he ask you to post his result for some reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Not a better quiz than the old one. Since I can't really answer these questions the way they're meant to be, I come out almost pure centrist.

    Did you take the test answering as you expected Greyblades to, or did he ask you to post his result for some reason?
    I answered a lot of Neutrals as well, because the statements are not very specific. I assume it's a limitation due to not wanting to have a bazillion questions that take two years to answer though. Here's my result anyway:

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    He posted his result elsewhere and I simply re-used that. But I will remove it and he can post it himself.
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    Closest Match: Liberalism

    Ideological matching is a work in progress, and is much less accurate than the values and axes.

    https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=62.7&s=62.4
    Last edited by Furunculus; 04-29-2017 at 15:56.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    Fair enough, the guardian and telegraph co-reviewed the book back in the day:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...ay-people-vote

    http://www.edwest.co.uk/telegraph-bl...conservatives/

    not quite the exact links, but close enough to expand on the premise.
    The series of "explore your Morality" surveys in the first (Guardian) link here are a bit more entertaining.

    Reporting results at face value, I have less firm moral foundations than either liberals or conservatives, I am more rule-oriented than liberals, conservatives, or libertarians, I value honor less than others (i.e. males and females), but more than they in terms of external/social judgement, I place less emphasis than liberals and conservatives on societal goals of power and well-being, and I endorse more weakly than liberals and conservatives fair distribution by utilitarian and libertarian principles, match conservatives on equality, match liberals on equity, and in between on meeting basic or minimum needs.

    Finally, my personal values are much weaker than everyone's, except for "power" somehow, which is between liberals' and conservatives' averages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    8values is, in essence, a political quiz that attempts to assign percentages for eight different political values.
    As it is often the story with tests and quizzes some initial premises are ill-worded and the values which are meant to represent opposite foci of an imagined scale include notions which can't be counterposed. And on the other hand some tenets grouped into one category may contradict each other:

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Equality (Economic)
    Those with higher Equality scores believe the economy should distribute value evenly among the populace. They tend to support progressive tax codes, social programs, and at high values, socialism.

    Markets (Economic)
    Those with higher Market scores believe the economy should be focused on rapid growth. They tend to support lower taxes, privatization, deregulation, and at high values, laissez-faire capitalism.
    Even distribution of values isn't opposite to rapid growth as well as progressive tax code doesn't exclude lowering taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Nation (Diplomatic)
    Those with higher Nation scores are patriotic and nationalist. They often believe in an aggressive foreign policy, valuing the military, strength, sovereignty, and at high values, territorial expansion.
    One may value sovereignty, but oppose aggressive foreign policy. Partriotism and nationalism have different axiological connotations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Globe (Diplomatic)
    Those with higher Globe scores are cosmopolitan and globalist. They often believe in a peaceful foreign policy, emphasizing diplomacy, cooperation, integration, and at high values, a world government.
    Connected with the previous one: supporting sovereignty doesn't exclude supporting cooperation and integration at different levels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Liberty (State)
    Those with higher Liberty scores believe in strong civil liberties. They tend to support democracy and oppose state intervention in personal lives. Note that this refers to civil liberties, not economic liberties.

    Authority (State)
    Those with higher Authority scores believe in strong state power. They tend to support state intervention in personal lives, government surveillance, and at high values, censorship or autocracy.
    As post 11\9 America showed, liberty can co-exist with governmnet surveillance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Tradition (Society)
    Those with higher Tradition scores believe in traditional values and strict adherence to a moral code. Though not always, they are usually religious, and support the status quo or the status quo ante.

    Progress (Society)
    Those with higher Progress scores believe in social change and rationality. Though not always, they are usually secular or atheist, and support environmental action and scientific or technological research.
    Moral code and religiousness don't exclude rationality or technological research.

    Generally, I feel like I'm offered a choice what I like more - tomatoes or driving a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Generally, I feel like I'm offered a choice what I like more - tomatoes or driving a car.
    Or Creationism in Schools versus Theory of Evolution.

    An immovable 'fact' versus theories based on evidence from nature which explains many processes witnessed there.
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    There's roughly 8 of us left here. Is there someone whose values you don't know?

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    Turns out I'm pretty moderate:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    There's roughly 8 of us left here. Is there someone whose values you don't know?
    My own?


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    Economic Axis: Market

    37.8%
    62.2%

    Diplomatic Axis: Patriotic

    64.9%
    35.1%

    Civil Axis: Moderate

    56.2%
    43.8%

    Societal Axis: Neutral

    46.0%
    54.0%

    Closest Match: Neo-Liberalism
    Ideological matching is a work in progress, and is much less accurate than the values and axes.
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    Left wing populism
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    Economic Axis: Centrist
    56.7%
    43.3%
    Diplomatic Axis: Balanced
    47.9%
    52.1%
    Civil Axis: Liberal
    65.8%
    34.2%
    Societal Axis: Progressive
    35.6%
    64.4%
    Closest Match: Liberalism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Or Creationism in Schools versus Theory of Evolution.

    An immovable 'fact' versus theories based on evidence from nature which explains many processes witnessed there.
    Many scientists (especially up to XX century) were ardent believers, yet it didn't preclude them from pursuing research and making discoveries and inventions. Like Tolkien was a hard core Catholic but he invented a whole alternative religious view on the world and its creation.
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    Hard to say the test doesn't work the site is broken, I get to agree or disagree with a white square with no question in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Many scientists (especially up to XX century) were ardent believers, yet it didn't preclude them from pursuing research and making discoveries and inventions. Like Tolkien was a hard core Catholic but he invented a whole alternative religious view on the world and its creation.
    Religion doesn't do much damage when believers study physics, where knowledge is hazy. It is extremely damaging in fields where knowledge is more complete. As for Tolkien and his alternative world view and creation: it's Catholicism, more or less. It's not as directly allegorical as CS Lewis's Narnia, but it is based on Catholicism.

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    Personal theory, LotR is something entirely else. Tolkien was gay. The whole story is really about childhood-friends overcomming obstacles to in the end together climb a mountain with a ring. Carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Personal theory, LotR is something entirely else. Tolkien was gay. The whole story is really about childhood-friends overcomming obstacles to in the end together climb a mountain with a ring. Carry on
    Explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Explain.
    I don't say he was but I think he was and that was difficult at the time, a ring is a symbole of marriage. Never noticed how many women are key in the book, almost none, it's all rather homosensual, knights and all that, If it had to do with catholism there would have been more. You can find your own symbolism in everything if you want that could support my pet-theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I don't say he was but I think he was and that was difficult at the time, a ring is a symbole of marriage. Never noticed how many women are key in the book, almost none, it's all rather homosensual, knights and all that, If it had to do with catholism there would have been more. You can find your own symbolism in everything if you want that could support my pet-theory
    Do you know anything about the background of the story of Beren and Luthien?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Do you know anything about the background of the story of Beren and Luthien?
    Tried cheating with a google search but no, I don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Tried cheating with a google search but no, I don't
    John is Beren, Edith is Luthien.

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    Can't say but consider it that Tolkien was a homosexual, and tetris it, fits and all that

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    There is a distinct lack of hot women clad in bikini chainmails in LotR. Maybe Fragony is on to something...

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    Very moderate, Centrist.

    https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=54.2&s=51.5

    I got 65.2% in favour of Equality on the Social Axis, but that's likely because of my religious beliefs.

    Aside from that my strongest result was 55.9% in favour of the Nation on the Diplomatic Axis.
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    Economy: Centrist (56.1% equality, 43.9% markets)
    Diplomacy: Balanced (48.4% nation, 51.6% world)
    Civil: Moderate (57.3% liberty, 42.7% authority)
    Society: Progressive (38.0% tradition, 62% progress)
    Closest match: Liberalism

    https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=57.3&s=62.0

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    https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=55.0&s=81.2

    A bit surprised that I got less communist than Beskar.

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    I got Social Liberalism:
    Social for economic, balanced for diplomatic, moderate for civil, progressive for societal.
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