8 Values - Org Poster Values

[Greyblades]

The questions have had about as much thought put into them as a "which japanese cartoon character are you?" quiz.

[Beskar]

https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=55.0&s=81.2

A bit surprised that I got less communist than Beskar.

I think the test doesn't reflect my views accurately.

[spmetla]

I guess I'm as in the middle as I thought: https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=54.6&s=59.4
Closest Match: Centrist


The questions are certainly vague, there are a lot where I'd have a caveat for agree and disagree so I selected neutral

[Beskar]

Yeah, the test scores bad if you do too many neutral. On the other hand, it does bad if you do too many "strongly agree/disagree". Moderation seems to be the key.

[Gilrandir]

Religion doesn't do much damage when believers study physics, where knowledge is hazy. It is extremely damaging in fields where knowledge is more complete.

This is the first time I hear that physics has hazy foundations. I wonder what sciences you consider more complete in their tenets.

As for Tolkien and his alternative world view and creation: it's Catholicism, more or less. It's not as directly allegorical as CS Lewis's Narnia, but it is based on Catholicism.

I would say not on Catholicism, but on Christianity. But for any hard core Catholic inventing an alternative universe not in line with Catholic/Christian view expounded in the Bible would be unthinkanble, don't you think?

Never noticed how many women are key in the book, almost none

Eowyn and especially Arwen. The desire to marry the latter was one of the chief motifs Aragorn had to fight the war.

[Pannonian]

This is the first time I hear that physics has hazy foundations. I wonder what sciences you consider more complete in their tenets.

Physics has a lot of areas that are presently theoretical and not exactly empirically provable. Chemistry and biology, for all their own hazy areas, are at least empirically testable on this planet.

I would say not on Catholicism, but on Christianity. But for any hard core Catholic inventing an alternative universe not in line with Catholic/Christian view expounded in the Bible would be unthinkanble, don't you think?

English Catholicism is probably different from those other breeds that you're thinking of. For one, a brief period under Mary Tudor apart, it has not been able to use the state to enforce its tenets, but has had to exist however it could. I'm not a massive expert on the subject, but AFAICS it's not much different in tone from the tea and scones fundamentalism of the modern CofE.

[HopAlongBunny]

How we got on LoTR is beyond me, but I'll interject anyhow.
The social structure in LoTR is class divided, race divided, with each ruled by a benevolent oligarchy; Mordor is a bit of an exception with the unquestioned supremacy of Sauron.
As presented, no enforcement is required: it the obvious outcome of the mythical situation.
It strikes me as the achievement of the medieval ideal posited by the Great Chain of Being.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I think the test doesn't reflect my views accurately.

It seems accurate to me, but then I appear to be normative according to this test.

Note that all Brits (except extreme-right outliers) will support the NHS, likely pushing the average British result to the Left on the economic axis.

[Gilrandir]

Physics has a lot of areas that are presently theoretical and not exactly empirically provable. Chemistry and biology, for all their own hazy areas, are at least empirically testable on this planet.

Being no specialist in either of these spheres, I still greatly doubt your claim. For example, there are some areas of biology which are completely founded on hypotheses and can't be empirically tested, like paleobiology (the dinosaurs' ways of life, hide color, voice etc.). Moreover, there are many questions as to the functions of some organs of the living organisms. I'm sure chemistry abounds in such issues as well. So I suspect you have a special grudge against physics. Poor test results in grade 9?

English Catholicism is probably different from those other breeds that you're thinking of. For one, a brief period under Mary Tudor apart, it has not been able to use the state to enforce its tenets, but has had to exist however it could. I'm not a massive expert on the subject, but AFAICS it's not much different in tone from the tea and scones fundamentalism of the modern CofE.

Since we are talking of Tolkien's world as a reflection of universal Christian tenets and myths, the breeds of Catholicism involved really don't matter.

How we got on LoTR is beyond me

Now you understand what value is the genuine one.

The social structure in LoTR is class divided, race divided, with each ruled by a benevolent oligarchy; Mordor is a bit of an exception with the unquestioned supremacy of Sauron.

I'm afraid one can't make general conclusions pertaining to all LoTR societies.
First of all, I don't think one can talk of oligarchy in Middle-earth since industry (if we can speak of one) and land aren't owned by a small group of Dwarves, Hobbits or Elves. The power belongs to the clans with the most respected predigree, so to say. Moreover, some societies (like Hobbits) aren't in fact ruled by anyone: "The Shire at this time had hardly any 'government'. Families for the most part managed their own affairs." (Fellowship of the ring, Of the Ordering of the Shire).
And as for the exceptions, you didn't mention Saruman.

[Pannonian]

Being no specialist in either of these spheres, I still greatly doubt your claim. For example, there are some areas of biology which are completely founded on hypotheses and can't be empirically tested, like paleobiology (the dinosaurs' ways of life, hide color, voice etc.). Moreover, there are many questions as to the functions of some organs of the living organisms. I'm sure chemistry abounds in such issues as well. So I suspect you have a special grudge against physics. Poor test results in grade 9?



Since we are talking of Tolkien's world as a reflection of universal Christian tenets and myths, the breeds of Catholicism involved really don't matter.

"The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism."

No. 142: letter to his friend Robert Murray, S.J. (December 1953)

[Gilrandir]

"The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism."

No. 142: letter to his friend Robert Murray, S.J. (December 1953)

I don't see how being Catholic cancels being Christian. And if we zoom out of LoTR and look at the whole legendarium we see that it establishes its own universe whose origin is definitely at variance with the Christian tradition starting from its creation out of Music. The religious background of the legendarium is richer than just Catholicism or even Christianity with the admixture of Scandinavian and even Greek mythology.

[Sir Moody]

[Pannonian]

I don't see how being Catholic cancels being Christian. And if we zoom out of LoTR and look at the whole legendarium we see that it establishes its own universe whose origin is definitely at variance with the Christian tradition starting from its creation out of Music. The religious background of the legendarium is richer than just Catholicism or even Christianity with the admixture of Scandinavian and even Greek mythology.

I'm just quoting Tolkien on his own creation. I'm guessing you're a fan of "The Death of the Author".

[Gilrandir]

I'm just quoting Tolkien on his own creation. I'm guessing you're a fan of "The Death of the Author".

If you mean Barth's conception -I heard about it but never dug deep.

[Ser Clegane]

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Nice to hear from you, especially as you are no longer burdened with the red.

[Fragony]

Howdy neighbour