Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Well, sure. But even if I didn’t know, I’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party.

But why?

At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.

Townies have to lose, by definition. Survivors don't. Of course it's a risk, but as the most fundamental risk is to the Survivor, live-and-let-live is a valid mutual strategy to pursue.

BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.

The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.

[Montmorency]

BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.

Yes

The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.

Yes

[Montmorency]

I'm at risk. Where is Kemmler?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Choxorn

Prefer him over the Monty lynch, but I really like novice's 626 questioning Barto and wouldn't mind a much closer look at him and his activities.

[GeneralHankerchief]

List ordered from town to scum, not sorted within tiers.

SeveringViper
Sooh

Csargo
Manasi
novice
Monty

El Barto

---town line---

Raith Kemmler
BSmith
Champ
Logic

---null line---

Jabbz

Choxorn
autolycus


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Comments:

Viper and Sooh have been active, asking good questions, generally townread, and have good tone. I feel like they're trying to solve and have no real reason to suspect either of them.

I believe in Manasi's derp, and she's looked fine otherwise. Hope she survives.

I know I said I can't read Monty but he's still generally twigging my town sensors instead of the other way around.

As for Barto, I know I just said I wanted more pressure on him but then I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him. The choice of poisoning was definitely a WTF move but I feel like that's more in Barto's town range than the softing was in his scum range.

The nulls are the nulls. Raith's posts in particular just haven't made much of an impression on me but that might be a "me" problem.

On the BSmith/autolycus dichotomy: BSmith has claimed limited time, but has spent his time in the thread doing things that look alright. Would still like to see him go on offense at some point. As for auto, he has *not* claimed limited time and has skated by using generally poor reasoning, if any at all. He's my preferred lynch today and if there's movement on him before I leave for the weekend I will happily flip back to auto.

[Montmorency]

I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him.

It's something Pizza did a couple of games ago, where he was scum with Barto. And pseudo-serious Barto sure is strange.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's something Pizza did a couple of games ago, where he was scum with Barto. And pseudo-serious Barto sure is strange.

Futuramafia?

That was ATPG though, I'll have to check the Quicktopic to see how much of an emphasis Pizza put on it. Hmm.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Futuramafia?

That was ATPG though, I'll have to check the Quicktopic to see how much of an emphasis Pizza put on it. Hmm.

Not Futuramafia, possibly Visor's small game (Pizza was scum in what seems like 20 games in a row in 2016 so I could be wrong but still start here). Checking the QT now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay as per this QT, Pizza and Barto have a discussion on the concept of breadcrumbing in the 30-50 range. Move Barto down one tier, maybe two on my list.

[Csargo]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

This is the most dangerous Barto. Generally his tone is somewhere in between, this is far more serious than I would expect. We'll see what happens, but it is cause for concern imo. Though I wouldn't call it inherently scummy, more observation is needed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Monty, do you still want to vote me?

[Montmorency]

Is that a threat?

Unvote: GH; Vote: Raith Kemmler

[Champ]

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

[novice]

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

[Champ]

at least el barto kept his promise

[Sooh]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

Can you fill this out with examples, please?

[Sooh]

Champ? If you're somehow still around, please come play and make reads and such. It's not D1 anymore, so it's possible to read stuff now!

[novice]

Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.

Barto's pretty brazen as scum.

[Montmorency]

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

What does this mean?

[novice]

Barto's pretty brazen as scum.

I've gathered, which is why I'm concerned with his actions, and why I want El Barto to explain his thinking.

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

What does this mean?

You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.

[Csargo]

Probably won't be around much EoD, because of work. Still think Chox is the scummiest player itt, so I'm leaving my vote on him.

[Sooh]

Probably won't be around much EoD, because of work. Still think Chox is the scummiest player itt, so I'm leaving my vote on him.

I don't mind people voting Chox. It's him or Raith for me. Staying on Raith to keep the option open, at least a while longer.

[Montmorency]

You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.

faa

Oh?

[novice]

Yup

[BSmith]

unvote; vote: Barto I'm fine putting some pressure on here. Barto is damn near impossible to read, but the change in his tone this game, along with the seemingly odd choice of poisoning target earns my vote for now.

[novice]

Just 3.5 hours left, I think?

Tally as of post 656:

Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (autolycus, SeveringViper, Logic)
3 votes: choxorn (Csargo, novice, GeneralHankerchief)
2 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh, Montmorency)
1 votes: Champ (El Barto)
1 votes: Barto (BSmith)

Voting history:

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GeneralHankerchief

Raith Kemmler

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

choxorn

choxorn

Montmorency

Autolycus

Champ

choxorn

Raith Kemmler

Barto

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm around for one more hour before I leave if people want to ask me something.

[Champ]

I've gathered, which is why I'm concerned with his actions, and why I want El Barto to explain his thinking.





You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.

i tried writing hi and it said i needed 3 characters

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wagons should be Choxorn and Barto IMO.