"Explosion" in Manchester

[Gilrandir]

Have you ever been to the US and signed the form declaring that you aren't a terrorist and that you aren't intending to commit crimes? The vast majority are amused/insulted by having to sign, and I'm guessing the terrorists and criminals just sign.

Every 2 or 3 years I have to change my bank salary card. And every time they take picture of me holding a card in front of me. Looks very much like those guys in the movies do when they are detained by the police. But I haven't done anything illegal to be treated like a criminal. So humiliation comes in many disguises and one doesn't have to come to the US to feel it.

[Beskar]

They might have found another bomb at a College in Trafford.

Manchester bombing latest: Army bomb disposal team called to college in Trafford
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ombing-latest/



Bomb unit sent to Manchester college
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40043864

Been updated:

A possible suspicious package has been declared safe after army bomb disposal experts were called to a street in Hulme, near Manchester city centre.
The scare followed Monday's bomb attack at Manchester Arena in which 22 people died and 64 were injured.
Several roads were closed during the incident. Cordons have now been lifted.
Meanwhile the threat level "will remain at critical and the public should remain vigilant", Prime Minister Theresa May has said.

[Fragony]

Really bad joke

[Pannonian]

It looks like it's a network and not a lone wolf, which makes the leaks to the media even more irresponsible, even beyond mere insensitivity.

[Fragony]

It looks like it's a network and not a lone wolf, which makes the leaks to the media even more irresponsible, even beyond mere insensitivity.

It are never lone wolves these aren't hghschool shootngs, those casting the net know that

[Idaho]

That is silly indeed it's useless. In case of the UK there's a top-down problem, police is afraid to do their job because of the policor-culture in the leadership. I don't know it is true but the police was supposedly warned at least 5 times, by the muslim community itself and they never did anything. We aren't ever going to get anywhere with people who are afraid to offend

Against all better judgement, I answering a Fragony post

Police might, when pushed, blame all kinds of things for their crappy performance. In truth it's chasing meaningless targets, lack of support and funding and the fact they don't give a ***& about certain groups of people, that is to blame.
The poor teenage girls in Rotherham for example that officers were documented as referring to as "slags" when they tried to report abuse by a gang. Of course the big story to racists and other assorted ****wits is that "Asians" are preying on "our girls". Not that police failed to protect vulnerable children.

[InsaneApache]

Of course the big story to racists and other assorted ****wits is that "Asians" are preying on "our girls". Not that police failed to protect vulnerable children

Oh I'm glad that's cleared up then. Nothing to see here move along. Are you really that dense that you could bend light?

[Idaho]

Fred West and Jimmy Saville were from Pakistan were they? Or is it more true to say that as you are in a similar demographic, you have the same predilections?

Obviously I'm not saying you do. I'm saying that your correlations are poor.

[Fragony]

Against all better judgement, I answering a Fragony post

Police might, when pushed, blame all kinds of things for their crappy performance. In truth it's chasing meaningless targets, lack of support and funding and the fact they don't give a ***& about certain groups of people, that is to blame.
The poor teenage girls in Rotherham for example that officers were documented as referring to as "slags" when they tried to report abuse by a gang. Of course the big story to racists and other assorted ****wits is that "Asians" are preying on "our girls". Not that police failed to protect vulnerable children.

Poor judgement would be asssuming that I don't mean well

[InsaneApache]

Fred West and Jimmy Saville were from Pakistan were they? Or is it more true to say that as you are in a similar demographic, you have the same predilections?

Obviously I'm not saying you do. I'm saying that your correlations are poor.

Here we go more whataboutery from someone who should know better.

Which part of two wrongs don't make a right don't you understand?

Anyway lets stoke up flames a bit more...

[Pannonian]

Tommy Robinson? Aren't there more articulate voices against Islamism than a former BNP man?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Is it normal practice in the US to publish evidence at this stage of the investigation?

Officially no. We hew to the same standards as you lot, more or less. Unofficially, yep.

[Fragony]

What journalist wouldn't use leaked information, almost everything was already known in the blogosphere, so much faster. The infrmation wasn't even all that interesting for anyone

[InsaneApache]

Tommy Robinson? Aren't there more articulate voices against Islamism than a former BNP man?

A very brave man imo. The entire force of the state has been deployed to shut him up. I wonder why?

Then I gaze down at my sig.....

[Montmorency]

The man who bombed the concert was brave...

[Pannonian]

A very brave man imo. The entire force of the state has been deployed to shut him up. I wonder why?

Then I gaze down at my sig.....

I wonder why the BNP is so loathed by much of the UK's population.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The man who bombed the concert was brave...

Suicide is not necessarily brave, nor is it, of course, necessarily a cowardice. On the other hand, he didn't try to breech a police barracks, did he?

[a completely inoffensive name]

The man who bombed the concert was brave...

FYI Bill Maher lost his job for saying almost exactly that.

[Montmorency]

FYI Bill Maher lost his job for saying almost exactly that.

When was that?

[Husar]

When was that?

I was curious, too.


Sounds like a complete overreaction since it's a completely valid point of view and not even really offensive unless the entire country is in rabid nationalism mode.

The Tommy Robinson video is funny: "I was in jail with him"...

[AE Bravo]

The man who bombed the concert was brave...

His targets were little girls...

[Montmorency]

His targets were little girls...

The point being that virtue is not a function of bravery.

[AE Bravo]

Neither is handpicking easy targets.

If I hung myself in a prison cell or shot up a school, am I brave? No bravery in it unless you're an experienced suicide bomber. Obviously this guy wasn't a happy camper so there's really no bravery in what he did since it made no difference to his brainwashed brain. He looks like he never cracked a smile in his life. Dead on arrival.

“A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once."

[Montmorency]

So what is bravery about? To evince bravery, would it need to have been a happy, successful man nevertheless held accountable to his convictions? A used-up old man who can't bring the fight in any other capacity, like the old-school Turkish communists? Or is it a private, ephemeral feeling? I don't think it's a useful or germane consideration.

[Pannonian]

So what is bravery about? To evince bravery, would it need to have been a happy, successful man nevertheless held accountable to his convictions? A used-up old man who can't bring the fight in any other capacity, like the old-school Turkish communists? Or is it a private, ephemeral feeling? I don't think it's a useful or germane consideration.

Bravery has traditionally been associated with the warrior ethos. At what time in history has it been considered reasonable for a warrior to target victims such as these?

[Montmorency]

Bravery has traditionally been associated with the warrior ethos. At what time in history has it been considered reasonable for a warrior to target victims such as these?

Most, actually. Not as an element of combat but simply as a normal state of affairs, except for those occasions on which commanders enforced a standing order toward non-molestation.

But that isn't about bravery.

[Pannonian]

Most, actually. Not as an element of combat but simply as a normal state of affairs, except for those occasions on which commanders enforced a standing order toward non-molestation.

But that isn't about bravery.

Ancient civilisations tended to enslave children, not slaughter them. Even when slaughters occurred, such as in a sack, killing children wasn't regarded as brave. You certainly didn't have people sitting half a world away saying that such actions were brave. Brave involves facing off against other men. That's why cultures celebrate manhood and coming of age. It's another brave (note the word) to the collection.

[Husar]

At what time in history has it been considered reasonable for a warrior to target victims such as these?

HITLER!
No really, the whole thing with soldiers killing people behind the frontline and so on.

And then probably in the old testament, when God ordered the Israelites to wipe out their neighbors entirely and leave noone and nothing alive.
I would assume there are other examples I can't think of right now. Like the Spartans killing their own children for being weak or countless examples of warriors raiding villages, during which they probably killed a lot of innocent women and children etc.

It probably didn't hurt their honor a lot if it was for a good cause/benefitted their side. And this guy probably believed he was doing it for the good cause, too.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Neither is handpicking easy targets.

If I hung myself in a prison cell or shot up a school, am I brave? No bravery in it unless you're an experienced suicide bomber. Obviously this guy wasn't a happy camper so there's really no bravery in what he did since it made no difference to his brainwashed brain. He looks like he never cracked a smile in his life. Dead on arrival.

“A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once."

Emphasis added.

I would think 'double silver' experience chevrons a bit hard to come by...

[Pannonian]

HITLER!
No really, the whole thing with soldiers killing people behind the frontline and so on.

And then probably in the old testament, when God ordered the Israelites to wipe out their neighbors entirely and leave noone and nothing alive.
I would assume there are other examples I can't think of right now. Like the Spartans killing their own children for being weak or countless examples of warriors raiding villages, during which they probably killed a lot of innocent women and children etc.

It probably didn't hurt their honor a lot if it was for a good cause/benefitted their side. And this guy probably believed he was doing it for the good cause, too.

Raids with the purpose of killing women and children don't rate the term "civilisation". From agriculture onwards, having additional hands, especially non-threatening ones, helps whatever the equivalent is of the economy. Even nomadic cultures adopt captive children into their tribe. The only logical example might be a hunter gatherer tribe scratching out an existence in hard circumstances. Tell me, in which way does the UK resemble these?

If we go by your arguments and look for the most primitive cultures around that practice killing women and children, then the reciprocal answer would be to eliminate the threat to us in the same way. Not that you'd really condone that of course, except to snipe at us from a distance like you always do.