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    Iran is just too far away to care, I know that's pretty horrible to say but at least it's honest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Iran is just too far away to care, I know that's pretty horrible to say but at least it's honest
    What should the distance be for you to start to care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    What should the distance be for you to start to care?
    There was a much more horrible attack in Afganistan this week and nobody mentioned it, what are you asking from me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    There was a much more horrible attack in Afganistan this week and nobody mentioned it, what are you asking from me
    So only Europe, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    So only Europe, then?
    Given that 'staunch' NATO support for Ukraine during the current turmoil, I think it would be hard to claim even all of Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    So only Europe, then?
    Well yes, feel free to dislike me for that, but you will probably have to dislike a lot of people who feel the exact same way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    There was a much more horrible attack in Afganistan this week and nobody mentioned it, what are you asking from me
    It was mentioned, it did make headline news but because that's been a war zone since 1979 it can be filed as business as usual. A terrorist attack in the capitol of Iran is uncommon and also ironic due to their being a key exporter of terrorism throughout the middle east. It also has the potential to widen the ongoing sunni-shia conflict. The Afghan attack only shows that instability still reigns there and the inability of the Afghan govt and international community to reign in Pakistan's support/ignoring for terrorists such as the Haqqani network.

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    Quite telling as well, that the usual suspects have not opened a new thread about the Tehran terror attacks yet.

    Time to insert a nice link: http://theantimedia.org/us-reaction-isis-attack-iran/
    The problem though is that it is by definition not possible for a country to have a foreign policy compatible with Islamic State. It's only a question of what IS has the power or priority to react against at a given time.

    So choosing between "values" and "foreign policy" in this case is a false dilemma because these are blended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Well yes, feel free to dislike me for that, but you will probably have to dislike a lot of people who feel the exact same way
    This is not a reason for liking or disliking. Not for me. I understand the human nature in this respect. Why should anyone be sad about things happenning far away? But don't expect others to feel for you if something like that happens in your backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    This is not a reason for liking or disliking. Not for me. I understand the human nature in this respect. Why should anyone be sad about things happenning far away? But don't expect others to feel for you if something like that happens in your backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    The problem though is that it is by definition not possible for a country to have a foreign policy compatible with Islamic State. It's only a question of what IS has the power or priority to react against at a given time.

    So choosing between "values" and "foreign policy" in this case is a false dilemma because these are blended.
    Well, that's not true at all and completely irrelevant as to why I posted it.
    Of course a country can have a foreign poilicy compatible with Islamic State. That country may cease to exist and become part of the Islamic State, but then the policy will still be compatible.

    And then again it might just be about the country having the "least incompatible" foreign policy being the one that is a priority target for them. As in if Western or European Countries didn't try to manipulate others into doing their bidding, ISIS might be a local Middle Eastern issue and not bother with bombing Europeans. And if values and foreign policy are blended, what values do arms deals with Saudi Arabia represent?


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    Of course a country can have a foreign poilicy compatible with Islamic State. That country may cease to exist and become part of the Islamic State, but then the policy will still be compatible.
    But then it's no longer a country! See what I did?

    As in if Western or European Countries didn't try to manipulate others into doing their bidding, ISIS might be a local Middle Eastern issue and not bother with bombing Europeans. And if values and foreign policy are blended, what values do arms deals with Saudi Arabia represent?
    These groups are mostly local issues, but as history shows the East Med is "local" for Europe.

    Don't think in terms of "manipulation" and "bidding"; these aren't one-sided relationships.

    Saudis get arms so that they can defend themselves against the militants they have bought and paid for, and also equipped with those arms. A complicated relationship for all parties to be sure.
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