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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Do you have any evidence that PC attitudes stopped police from detecting these attacks? If not, then note that there is evidence that the police are overloaded with information and couldn't filter them. Note that I've gone off about Britain's faultists ignoring evidence in favour of their own explanation which doesn't need evidence. I'll refer the same arguments to you if that's what your anti-PC argument is about.
    Not terrorism specifically but a major sex-case in England was pc'd, police was just too scared to act. Afraid of pc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not terrorism specifically but a major sex-case in England was pc'd, police was just too scared to act. Afraid of pc
    You are referring to Rochdale. There is a TV series on it (3 episodes) called Three Girls recently. I would recommend watching it.
    For those located in the UK, can access it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...es-1-episode-1

    One of the bigger reported failings was apparently more to do with Victim Blaming (Poor, Council Dwelling, 'Scum of Society') than the PC-ing of accusations against the Pakistan-British perpetrators, though there might be elements of that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not terrorism specifically but a major sex-case in England was pc'd, police was just too scared to act. Afraid of pc
    This isn't that case though. Nor is it operationally related. Or strategically. There have been other sex case cover ups too, involving the BBC entertainment wing among other institutions. But these institutions have largely been cleaned up, and I'm confident enough that further cases will be dealt with competently. So, what does your cited example have to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    This isn't that case though. Nor is it operationally related. Or strategically. There have been other sex case cover ups too, involving the BBC entertainment wing among other institutions. But these institutions have largely been cleaned up, and I'm confident enough that further cases will be dealt with competently. So, what does your cited example have to do with this?
    Same point, political correctness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Same point, political correctness
    Do you have any evidence that PC attitudes factor into this particular case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Do you have any evidence that PC attitudes factor into this particular case?
    Plenty in fact, CNN even staged a protest with figurants

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    At least one of the two Barking ones was a second gen, coming to the UK as a kid after his parents claimed asylum from Pakistan (from what?). The Ireland one is a first gen, claiming asylum fro Morocco (from what?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    At least one of the two Barking ones was a second gen, coming to the UK as a kid after his parents claimed asylum from Pakistan (from what?). The Ireland one is a first gen, claiming asylum fro Morocco (from what?).
    Probably from Islamist extremists....Life is irony writ large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Plenty in fact, CNN even staged a protest with figurants
    But they didn't...

    CNN asked Police to transplant a select number of protesters away from the main protest to a secluded area where they set up their cameras - the actual protest happened and the people on camera were protesters - claiming CNN staged the protest is grossly misrepresenting what is a very common practice by News agencies (protests are often loud and not conducive to interviews/filming).

    The only thing CNN did wrong was to not clearly state this is what they had done - and lets be honest here the press are all guilty of not disclosing stuff like that (Fox and the interview with that private detective a few weeks ago is a good example)

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    Sure, tney just suddenly apeared

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Sure, tney just suddenly apeared
    sigh lets try this again.

    They didn't just appear - they were part of an actual protest with a lot more protesters - there are plenty of still pictures of the full protest if you look.

    CNN decided they didn't want to film at the protest location due to lighting and sound issues. They set up their cameras away from the protest and asked the Police to move a select group of the protesters (an Islamic Mothers group) to their location so they could be filmed. The group agreed to be moved and the Police obliged. This happens all the time with protests.

    CNN's mistake was not making it clear they had moved the protesters which is a pretty big Ethics breach but isn't staging a protest by a long shot.

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    You will just have to excuse me for simply not buying it, As I don't

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    Muslims not seen protesting - “Why aren’t you guys denouncing terrorism?”

    Muslims seen protesting - “Aha, a staged protest!”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dâriûsh View Post
    Muslims not seen protesting - “Why aren’t you guys denouncing terrorism?”

    Muslims seen protesting - “Aha, a staged protest!”
    Only Frag believes in the conspiracy theories necessary for the second line. And speaking from Dutchland, he's hardly well placed to speak for Brits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Only Frag believes in the conspiracy theories necessary for the second line. And speaking from Dutchland, he's hardly well placed to speak for Brits.
    It was staged, you will know that later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    It was staged, you will know that later
    So they weren't there to protest the London attack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dâriûsh View Post
    So they weren't there to protest the London attack?

    no they were figurants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    no they were figurants
    Ah, so they were faking outrage for the benefit of the press, and CNN exploited it for their own agenda?
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    Frags:

    By definition, all protests are "staged" even if spontaneous. It is a form of public speech.

    Staged does not automatically equate with insincere.
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    Again, strong and stable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dâriûsh View Post
    Ah, so they were faking outrage for the benefit of the press, and CNN exploited it for their own agenda?
    Looks like the protest wasn't real at all, we will hear later I guess

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    for pete sake Frag you are always on at us to fact check...

    http://www.snopes.com/cnn-muslim-protests-london/

    Your wrong - it was not fake - your sources are peddling their own propaganda which you are swallowing whole

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    And speaking from Dutchland, he's hardly well placed to speak for Brits.
    At least in matters of Brexit he thinks he is. Now it is in matters of terrorism as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Moody View Post
    for pete sake Frag you are always on at us to fact check...

    http://www.snopes.com/cnn-muslim-protests-london/

    Your wrong - it was not fake - your sources are peddling their own propaganda which you are swallowing whole
    You must have missed the memo on snopes being a liberal propaganda rag that just spreads the globalist agenda like the failing New York Times. If you can't find the info on Fox News, InfoWars or Breitbart then your link is most likely useless.


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    For consideration, maybe they meant really well and just didn't want anybody to get hurt. There is a line between reporting and being talking dolls though, you just can't be both and expect to be taken serious

    CNN failed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Moody View Post
    for pete sake Frag you are always on at us to fact check...

    http://www.snopes.com/cnn-muslim-protests-london/

    Your wrong - it was not fake - your sources are peddling their own propaganda which you are swallowing whole
    Frags gets all his info from a few select blogs and social media. Diversifying is a danger to his bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Frags gets all his info from a few select blogs and social media. Diversifying is a danger to his bubble.
    Not my fault they are more riable than official media

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not my fault they are more riable than official media
    except when they are easily proven wrong... like now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Moody View Post
    except when they are easily proven wrong... like now...
    Of course they can be wrong, but blogs are independant. You know it can be wrong. But msm has lost it's credibility to being taking for granted, I simply don't trust them. This CNN-item reeks more than a little

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    Quite telling as well, that the usual suspects have not opened a new thread about the Tehran terror attacks yet.

    Time to insert a nice link: http://theantimedia.org/us-reaction-isis-attack-iran/

    Conversely, when a terrorist attack rocked London this week, U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May swiftly pushed us to believe that the cause of that terrorist attack – and the previous one in Manchester — had nothing to do with British foreign policy, but instead, was rooted in a deep, evil ideology that hates us for who we are. Apparently, ISIS hates us for our “values” and our “democracy”; and Western foreign policy shares no role in creating the conditions for these brutal attacks to occur.

    How long can this narrative realistically hold now that we see that the Islamic Republic of Iran is also the victim of ISIS-inspired terrorist attacks? Does ISIS also hate Iran for its “values?” Iran’s “freedom?” Iran’s “democracy?”
    [...]
    There’s a reason why Donald Trump’s popularity surged last year when he claimed that, if elected, he would focus more on America and less on expensive and costly wars in the Middle East. There’s a reason, too, why England’s Jeremy Corbyn is surging in popularity — he is the only one speaking the truth about the root causes of terrorism and the proper way to address it.
    [...]
    Comparatively, in the most recent terrorist attacks in the U.K., the attackers have vocalized a clear link between British foreign policy and their decision to launch an attack on British soil, as has all too often been the case in the past.


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