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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    You know? You just asked if it was a counter to your wagon. You and Pizza were tied with two votes early in the day when Sooh began the Manasi wagon and you and Barto gave it 3 votes quickly. (Possible bad look where novice scum or Sooh scum).



    GH isn't lock town, and GH only claimed at SoD today.


    I see novice has entered full tilt mode, grasping at any which straw. This would seem to be what you lynched Pizza over.
    1. I'm simply asking you, when you said the Manasi wagon was a counterwagon, did you mean that it was a counterwagon to my wagon or to Pizza's wagon? Either alternative seems like a reasonable interpretation of what you said.

    2. You think scum GH revived Pizza? And I said "given what we know now"

    3. LOL. Feeling pressured? I'm just catching up on the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Cross posting:

    Fair on all three points, but I think Item 1 is less significant than the other 2.
    Logic does not push for a thunderdome, if I understand him correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    Okay at least he recanted the suggested postponement of the thunderdome.
    I can understand the call for a thunderdome too from a townie perspective, although of course scum would love it too. One thing's for sure, scum would prefer Pizza to lose the thunderdome, and go for a 2-for-1.
    Call me grasping at straws, but this rings hollow.
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    atpg needs a world religion founded in his name, though I'm slightly disappointed that he didn't rewrite the lyrics to Mama Said Knock You Out by way of celebration (lifetime's supply of cookies if you get the reference, pizza).

    GH is lock town. Ability makes no sense for scum. As per my miller bit, Zack's bastard days are long since passed.

    On Cuth, the debunking of the case on novice would be impressive from town, but truly exceptional from scum. With respect, I don't believe he's reached the level of skill and audacity where he would dare going toe-to-toe with pizza in such a manner unless he actually believed what he was saying. Which, somewhat perversely, means he's lock town if novice flips scum.

    Everyone else remains in the suspect pool pending ISOs and flips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Granted, I don't think Champ/GH has given us enough to work with.
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    Now THIS i find a tad on the scummy side.

    Why intentionally deprive yourself of information? If you are indeed town, that is all you have to work with. But a scum could easily get a summary from the wolf-chat, and be able to faux-try and point to a post like yours in the event any errors have been made.

    Monty, I agree that GH is looking very suspicious.
    This is a weird progression. You go from a nullish read to "a tad on the scummy side" which becomes "very suspicious" by the end of the post. Not to mention that the "tad on the scummy side" tell objectively isn't scummy. (But that is in Logic's derp range.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    GH isn't lock town, and GH only claimed at SoD today.


    I see novice has entered full tilt mode, grasping at any which straw. This would seem to be what you lynched Pizza over.
    The first is IMO very unlikely. XCOM has no way to revive people, whereas the aliens have multiple units that can bring people back as zombies.

    The second half of this is the scummiest and most ineffective method I have ever seen of discrediting someone. In fact, I think it's so bad that Vote: Montmorency because this cannot stand.

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    GH is lock town. Ability makes no sense for scum. As per my miller bit, Zack's bastard days are long since passed.
    What I'm getting at is, if a scum-team power, it would be available to temporarily revive any lynch (or night kill?). This means if scum had lynched at some point, they could have revived them just to muddy the waters. This isn't a power that need only apply to town, and I think we even touched on it a number of games ago. In Futuramafia, vanilla townies had carte blanche to post and participate, but lynched scum and town PRs did not. Zack having a setup where no dead can speak but there is a power which permits dead-speak is an adjacent step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Call me grasping at straws, but this rings hollow.
    The temptation to resolve Pizza ASAP is a strong one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    What I'm getting at is, if a scum-team power, it would be available to temporarily revive any lynch (or night kill?). This means if scum had lynched at some point, they could have revived them just to muddy the waters. This isn't a power that need only apply to town, and I think we even touched on it a number of games ago. In Futuramafia, vanilla townies had carte blanche to post and participate, but lynched scum and town PRs did not. Zack having a setup where no dead can speak but there is a power which permits dead-speak is an adjacent step.
    OK, but again, thematically, I would be completely shocked if XCOM has access to any kind of bringing someone back to life. They can stabilise dying friends, but no outright revival and no turning. Well, unless you count the player getting pissed off that their soldier died and reloading to save them, but that's too meta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    OK, but again, thematically, I would be completely shocked if XCOM has access to any kind of bringing someone back to life. They can stabilise dying friends, but no outright revival and no turning. Well, unless you count the player getting pissed off that their soldier died and reloading to save them, but that's too meta.
    It's a strong case as I've admitted, but I want to look out for an alternative explanation.

    While on the subject of meta, we have flipped a sectoid, a muton, and a faceless. What else can we expect?
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    *** EVENT ***


    GeneralHankerchief has been killed.

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    GeneralHankerchief was a Sectoid!

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    He was town!

    And with GeneralHankerchief's death, Askthepizzaguy collapses to the floor where he stands, rejoining the the dead.

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    Askthepizzaguy was a Sectoid!

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    He was town!


    -------

    It is still Day Three.

    Voting ends in:

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    Living Players: 13

    @autolycus
    @BSmith
    @Csargo
    @Cuthillius
    @Dp101
    @El Barto
    @Fredwood
    @Logic
    @Manasi
    @Montmorency
    @novice
    @Sooh
    @Winston Hughes

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    Dead Players: 4

    Jowy - Faceless
    crimson_snow - Muton
    Askthepizzaguy - Sectoid
    GeneralHankerchief - Sectoid

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    So, Dayvig? Probably the Ranger. Also good to know that my hypothesis was correct, although it sucks losing a revived Pizza.

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    Crud.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    So, Dayvig? Probably the Ranger. Also good to know that my hypothesis was correct, although it sucks losing a revived Pizza.
    You think that was a town vig?
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    If I recall, Sectoids have psionic powers or something - is that what GH did in flavor terms, puppeting Pizza's corpse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    You think that was a town vig?
    ...ranger is an XCOM class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    If I recall, Sectoids have psionic powers or something - is that what GH did in flavor terms, puppeting Pizza's corpse?
    Yeah, Sectoids are one of the aliens that can revive corpses, but I assumed that GH wouldn't flip as one because Pizza said he was vanilla, and so I thought that the reviving role would be a more psionically powerful alien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    I don't think I have any more time for posting and analysis until about this time tomorrow. I will be reading, but for now I do think novice is the best lynch today.

    Vote: Novice
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    I feel like I have been playing "follow the pizza." I'm agreeing with him far more often than I should be, so I think I am going to read the thread and skip his posts to see if I can form my own opinion based on what everyone else is saying to each other.
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    There is a very good chance I won't be online again before EOD. I will try to check back and read what others post, but roght now, I am happy with where my vote is.
    Follows Pizza, says he will stop doing that and reassess, finds GH very suspicious, is happy with his vote on me.

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    Essentially, no way in hell that town makes that shot, ever. Or at least, town that's paying attention.

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    ...

    Wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    So, Dayvig? Probably the Ranger. Also good to know that my hypothesis was correct, although it sucks losing a revived Pizza.
    What hypothesis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    What hypothesis?
    Hypothesis that GH was some kind of reviving alien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    Hypothesis that GH was some kind of reviving alien.
    Well, that much was obvious. Not much of a silver lining to have that confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    Well, that much was obvious. Not much of a silver lining to have that confirmed.
    I'm trying to be positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    Popping back in, although not for long. I really feel that Novice is a terrible lynch, mostly because Pizza's case on him really misrepresents his play thus far.
    Pocket accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo View Post
    WH's iso:

    I feel like he's a strong town lean for me. Excellent tone, flow, reads feel like a logical progression and they're similar to my own so far. Don't like the naked Manasi vote, but he's expressed concern with her for a while, so it makes sense. Nothing really stuck out as scummy or poor logic/tone. He's probably the most my strongest town read so far, and I'm pretty confident in that assessment.
    Not that I object, but I thought Pizza was your strongest town read? Or was it just vice versa?

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    Never mind, asked and answered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo View Post
    Yeah, I'd say so. Csnow I haven't gotten to yet, but initially I never felt particularly confident in people's townreads. I just didn't really like his opening to the game, and thought it was odd. I already talked about Fred earlier. I'm losing confidence in pizza, because he's basically ignored Cuth's posts, and for general paranoia/pocketing reasons. I really like Winston's iso, nothing struck me as anything less sparkly clean, maybe I should be concerned about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthillius View Post
    see

    i kinda like this

    and i kinda think this COULD be the case

    but it just seems

    too easy

    those are the low posters, and more to the point the low-impact posters

    i don't think this is that sort of game
    It really could be, though. Scum aren't always pulling the strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthillius View Post
    ok

    so i just grabbed some posts from a random page, 9 in this case

    first off

    confirmed town/very likely town

    focusing game on potential mislynches

    on low-hanging fruit that won't fight back, as it were

    "the people who are here, which include me, but not a bunch of my suspects

    well, i thought my suspects looked comfortable with where votes where, so everyone here needs to cfd"

    editor's note: this is cow feces

    pulling up different mislynches

    still looking at >confirmed town, probably town, probably town, ???

    he's literally focusing the game

    and i'm not saying that that'd never happen as town

    just in this case IT IS ON TOWN

    that is SOMETHING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT

    he is giving out a level of confidence that is THIS BIG and pushing town, and focusing on people who are super towny, in particular people who aren't around, as he admitted himself, going into eod

    this is not the towniest approach i've ever seen, but i don't know about you

    important context: jowy was town

    so here we have pizza offering two choices

    either lynch scum and call it bussing

    or lynch pizza and he's town and jowyscum will survive until endgame and ??nobody is paying attention??

    first off, there are a couple of false claims in there, in particular that jowy was either scummy or actually scum, and that nobody was paying attention

    in this case, there were several people actively trying not to lynch jowy, and being in the thread and trying to solve

    this is unfounded

    in addition, he never offers the option of jowy potentially being town

    again, he doesn't want attention to go there

    again, that could happen as town

    again, it's a strange juxtaposition of confidence levels

    either he's confident about his thoughts which are bad, so much so that he deliberately spends all his effort focusing everything on this small pool of towny people

    or he's scum

    and now he calls it a gutsy call, rather than obviously lynching the obvious scum

    he says look at the effort i did, look at me, ask me questions

    he doesn't ever try to engage people, draw them out, unless it lines up with his agenda

    and that's kinda pizza's mojo anyway

    but

    it just drips of insincerity and misdirection to me
    Reading this makes me want to lynch Pizza again. This was an honest case by Cuth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredwood View Post
    I'm not really liking Manasi lynch if only cus I don't learn anything.

    The other 3 I have issues with

    Novice: cus I don't want to doubt my IGR on him
    Pizza: cus I'd be sheeping the meta
    Bart: cus I don't want to tunnel.

    Cuth and I are melding, and if he sites the Pizza Meta as enough to lynch him I guess I can get behind the Pizza lynch I guess. I do think I have something I want to pursue for the next phase though.
    IGR?
    What was the thing you wanted to pursue in the next phase?

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    Default Re: XCOM Mafia [In Play]

    I'll have to continue tomorrow.

    Vote: Logic, see post 1547 for reasons.

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    First things first. vote: Manasi

    Now I'm off to read the thread.
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